Blue_in_Cleveland

September 17th, 2010 at 10:21 PM ^

Recent attrition including non-qualifiers and transfers who originally signed letters of intent for us:

2010 (5 of 27 total - 18.5%) - QB Jones, RB White, LB Rogers, LB Kinard (although we hopefully get him back next year), CB/S Dorsey

2009 (4 of 22 total - 18.2%) - DE Lalota, CB Turner, CB Witty, S Emilien

2008 (8 of 24 total - 33%) - QB Feagin, RB McGuffie, OT O'Neill, G Wermers, LB Hill, LB Witherspoon, CB Cissoko, S Smith

That is 17 of 73 (23.3 %) of the last 3 classes gone, including four 5 stars (Dorsey, Turner, McGuffie, Cissoko - well Dorsey was only a 5 star on ESPN, so I guess that's a more questionable source).

By my count we now have 20 scholarships currently available for next year assuming everyone with fifth year eligibility returns: 11 seniors who finish their eligibility + 9 open scholarships.

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winterblue75

September 17th, 2010 at 3:29 PM ^

I forgot where I saw this list, but it was posted a few days ago and listed all the kids who have left in the RR era and where (if anyplace they have ended up). Very few of these kids are playing football at another D-1 school. Outwardly is it disturning, yes. But when you dig a little further, there really isn't that great of a loss in most cases.

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profitgoblue

September 17th, 2010 at 3:33 PM ^

It probably isn't a big loss as far as the product on the football field but it is still disturbing nonetheless.  To think that a kid(s) are leaving a school like Michigan to attend a lesser school (not to mention a lesser caliber football program) is a little disheartening.  I can't imagine things ever being so bad in Ann Arbor to make the decision to attend a lesser eductional institution.  Maybe the kids just don't understand the power (yes, power) of a Michigan degree?

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jmblue

September 17th, 2010 at 3:45 PM ^

Well, it's possible that some of these guys aren't really U-M material in the classroom.  It may be beneficial for some of them to transfer.

The common thread for most of the departures is that they were academically borderline.  RR evidently took some chances on kids in that area.  Maybe that was necessary given the past two seasons.  A good season this year will hopefully allow us to be more selective down the road.

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WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 3:47 PM ^

Realistically, most of the guys who come here to play football don't see UM the way those of us who came for academics see it.  Most of them see UM as a football program that also has a good school attached to it, so if the football part doesn't work out, the school isn't enough to keep them around.  This is especially true for the guys from poor areas who got less than mediocre grades in high school.  They aren't future aerospace engineers or investment bankers, so any college degree is a good thing.

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JMK

September 17th, 2010 at 4:58 PM ^

Or is this some weird reverse psychology thing and we'll actually gain players if we lose?  And if we go undefeated, will we end up with 30 additional available scholarships for next year?  And what will happen after the Oct. 23 BYE?  My mind is blown.

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Maize and Blue…

September 17th, 2010 at 3:36 PM ^

If he didn't it shouldn't affect the APR and I remember RR saying earlier he had a clearing house issue.  Brian, Tom, Tim or any of the other insiders know if Davion ever got the clearing house issue cleaned up or is the clearing house issue the reason he is no longer with the team?

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dieseljr32

September 17th, 2010 at 3:41 PM ^

I don't think it's about him not liking Michigan, I think it's more of the clearinghouse issue that dogged him over the summer.

 

But still, this is already past old.  By no means can we build depth when no one is staying with the program. 

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The BlackHand

September 17th, 2010 at 3:54 PM ^

 Maybe I am missing something. Shouldn’t you have your clearinghouse stuff DONE by January of your senior year so this is not an issue?

I am not being judgemental but if you are just scraping by in HS trying to get cleared...which is not hard...then would it not stand to reason that you will just get by at a University like Michigan.

Did our coaches not see this?

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WolvinLA2

September 17th, 2010 at 4:01 PM ^

A lot of players don't have that atuff done by January of their senior year.  And yes, the coaches know this.  But sometimes to take a chance on a guy with borderline academics, and the kid ends up qualifying (like Noel Devine, at WVU).  Gallon is another guy who almost missed it, but he qualified and I'm glad we have him.

It would be great to only recruit kids with a 3.7 or higher, but then we'd be missing out on a lot of talent.  It's a fine line, and sometimes you end up too close and going over a little.  It's not the end of the world.

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Webber's Pimp

September 17th, 2010 at 4:08 PM ^

He  gone. And I consider this to be a big loss for us long term...Lot's of potential there. niow we have to recruit, sign, feed, and develop an equal or better DE/LB prospect. Whoever that ends up being he won't see the field until at least 2012. Meanwhile our talent depleted defense is desperately needs an influx of difference makers.

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Tha Quiet Storm

September 17th, 2010 at 6:26 PM ^

I know each and every situation is different but do any of these guys realize that when you are a true or redshirt freshman, you might need to sit for a year or two until you get big and strong enough and learn the system?  I can see if you have been here for a while and realize that you might not be good enough to play D-1A, but these guys aren't even giving themselves a chance.

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pdxwolve

September 17th, 2010 at 8:04 PM ^

At least players who couldn't (Vlad and LaLota) crack the depth chart left, and several students with grades issues and one who showed up out of shape (Turner) have left. I was most disappointed about Vlad and JT, but many of these issues will dry up if we can win eight games this year, finished ranked and continue playing exciting football. Because of DR, Michigan is getting more national pub than anyone right now, even Alabama.

When RR gets this ship really rolling, kids won't struggle with qualifying, and kids will know where they stand on the depth chart when they're being recruited. And they sure as hell won't show up out of shape.

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