Rivals: Army Bowl Awards

Submitted by Marcus818 on January 9th, 2012 at 2:30 PM
This article is behind a paywall, but it's giving out awards for the week at the Army All-American Bowl. Pipkins won the award for raising his stock the most, and could be bumped to a 5*. Magnuson was actually mentioned in the stock down (Zeke Pike "won" that one). http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1316578

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Hardware Sushi

January 9th, 2012 at 2:42 PM ^

Rivals also places emplasis on tackles as more valuable than guard/center, so there is that factor that played into their consideration because he spent a LOT of time at guard.

But seriously, even if you're 6-6, if you have 6-9 Zach Banner and 6-7 Kyle Murphy on the same line, you're probably moving inside.

WolvinLA2

January 9th, 2012 at 3:13 PM ^

Yeah, Magnuson is surprising on that list. The scouting report on him was that he's an athletic tackle who is great in pass pro, but needs work on run blocking, mostly because he needs a redshirt year to pack on some beef.

Sticking that guy at guard in an all-american game is a recipe for disappointment. If Lewan had to do the same he would have had similar reviews.

All-American games do a much better job of evaluating early-contributors than at evaluating who can be the best college player.

umjgheitma

January 9th, 2012 at 2:40 PM ^

is gonna have to be a 4 year starter, so good to see he has improved just throughout this year. What's the DT rotation looking like next year? Pipkens, BWC...then Ash, Talbott?

WolvinLA2

January 9th, 2012 at 3:04 PM ^

Well, that Telbott is no longer on the team, and I would expect QW to be above Ash. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if Rock or Wormley work into the rotation this fall, and Kenny Wilkins is still here and could surprise in the off-season.

I expect Pipkins to impress as a true frosh, but I don't think je needs to start with BWC and Q on the DL. I think he might be the first guy off the bench though when either of those two need a breather.

T4L

January 9th, 2012 at 3:18 PM ^

I agree that QWash and BWC tend to be the de facto starters, but it would be nice to see Ash play the 1-tech effectively, if not in the capacity of a starter.

If he and Wilkins can develop to the point where they can be effective and spell the starters, that could go a long way in terms of allowing Pipkins to redshirt and develop into a 4-year starter type player.

Grahambino

January 9th, 2012 at 2:40 PM ^

That seems a bit ridiculous given that he had a solid day against the countries best DT's. 

I thought if any OL stock should go down it should be Banner, given how many times the speed rushers got around him. 

 

Good for Pipkins though.  I thought all of our guys did a great job.  If Pipkins is that good being that overweight (330lbs ish) just imagine how good he could be if he got into shape!

TJ

January 9th, 2012 at 4:19 PM ^

Isn't it sort of their jobs to do just that? To overanalyze the actions of 16-18 year old high school kids and move them up and down, and write about it. You don't have to pay for a subscription to rivals but there's no use complaining about what they do.

wjknox3

January 9th, 2012 at 2:47 PM ^

What about the all-important third category?  Best Performance in a Comedy Short by an 18-year old Defensive tackle Wearing a Stetson Hat.

Also, can Mr. Brandon please see to it that Ondre's version of "This is Michigan" is worked into the Jumbotron pre-game hype video?

Gameboy

January 9th, 2012 at 2:49 PM ^

I LOVE Pipkins and was very impressed with what he showed during the Army game, HOWEVER, I think it would be best if we all tempt down some of our high soaring expectations.

There is a LOT of bad body weight on that kid right now. I would expect he is going to need at least a year or two of serious weight room work to get to the kind of physical shape he needs to dominate at the next level (which I fully expect).

Those transition years could be tough on young guys. He may have to take a step back or two before he could really excel.

Clarence Beeks

January 9th, 2012 at 2:54 PM ^

"There is a LOT of bad body weight on that kid right now."

I've seen this mentioned twice now in this thread and I'm just curious what you guys are basing this on.  I'm just curious because he looked incredibly quick and agile, especially for a guy his size, at the weight he's playing at right now.  I mean, he was running plays down across the field on several occasions during that game against some fairly fast players.  Like I said, I'm just curious what that comment is based on.

gopoohgo

January 9th, 2012 at 3:21 PM ^

You're not comparing a perennial NFL pro-bowler with an eighteen year-old high school kid, are you?

/s

Ondre would probably tell you he could use to lose a few pounds of fat, or replace it with a few more pounds of muscle.  Will he be Mike Martin?  Probably not.  Could he really use a good, S&C regimen?  You betcha.

JimLahey

January 9th, 2012 at 3:43 PM ^

Yes, I compared one aspect of him to Vince Wilfork. Each individual has a different body makeup and they combine it with a skill set. Saying he has "bad bodyweight" is making a claim without the facts. There are players like Wilfork, and many others, who use that extra body weight along with their athleticism to overpower other players. Part of Wilfork's advantage is that he weighs so much but is still able to move well. How do we know that won't be Ondre's game too?

Maybe he needs to lose weight, maybe he doesn't. We won't know until he faces college players. And as for Terrence Cody, he was a dominant college player.

Wolverman

January 9th, 2012 at 3:36 PM ^

 I don't think his football shape is in question. We have a long time until next season starts Lets see what he does in the spring/summer. The kid was beating double teams left and right and has completely dominated in every camp he has attended. Not one person has said anything about his shape ( but i do think he'll get down to 300 before the season starts) or conditioning. I think he'll drop some weight before the season mainly to hep with injury concerns

An Angelo's Addict

January 9th, 2012 at 2:57 PM ^

I'm rlly hoping pipkins gets to campus in good shape (not 330 lbs) and can be a 4 year starter. His hype reminds me a lot of how excited people were for BWC, fortunately we won't be moving pipkins back and forth on the two lines and will hopefully utilize him the best we can

m1jjb00

January 9th, 2012 at 4:51 PM ^

Sam said this morning that he thought Pipkins was north of 330.  330 is a decent weight for him.  For those above who are hoping for 300, forget about it.  Ain't going to happen, nor is it desired.  He's a big boy and his role will be being a big boy.

Assessments are made over the whole week, so just becasue Magnuson looked good in the game may not be the deciding factor.  That said, if they're bumping him down because he showed up at his listed weight, well whatever.

m1jjb00

January 9th, 2012 at 4:51 PM ^

Sam said this morning that he thought Pipkins was north of 330.  330 is a decent weight for him.  For those above who are hoping for 300, forget about it.  Ain't going to happen, nor is it desired.  He's a big boy and his role will be being a big boy.

Assessments are made over the whole week, so just becasue Magnuson looked good in the game may not be the deciding factor.  That said, if they're bumping him down because he showed up at his listed weight, well whatever.

buddhafrog

January 9th, 2012 at 6:40 PM ^

As good as Pipkins looked, I think he looked *even better* off the field.  He had two of the better interview videos I've seen in a long while:

* This is what I think about Ohio ice cream bite and toss

*Hoke impression (perfect walk, and new his exact lines from the press converence!)

This big fella has tons of talent, but he just explodes charisma.  He was voted captain of the game by his teammates and it's not surprising.  That is the type of player that makes everyone love playing together and makes people happy and feel like a family.  He's going to be a huge leader for us - that's how I see his future.