Reports: Michigan's Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway Jr. will declare for NBA draft
I think we all knew Burke was going pro...but if Tim Hardaway Jr. is true as well, then I hope they go out with a bang this week! I also realize that this news hinges on 1 guy from Forbes (Darren Heirner) but he seems legitimate.
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2013/04/reports_michigans_tre…
Trey is 100% expected but the thing with Hardaway is...he sometimes disappears during games...or goes through huge slumps. I think THJ can make an NBA roster but I would not call him a sure thing NBA player.
fuck. lets win it all!!
Hardaway is averaging 14.5 ppg, 3.75 rpg, 3 apg, and .5 steals per game during the tournament. Those are decent numbers, but I don't know how much they raise his stock. His season averages are 14.6, 4.6, 2.3, and .7, so his averages have all fallen in the tournament except for his assists.
I find it hard to believe they would make this announcement today. Not that I think it won't happen, but can't imagine this official.
It does seem really odd that these guys would do ANYTHING that could be leaked...even if they were both 100% that they wanted to go tot the NBA, it's much easier to say "I'll think about it with my family after this season" in the 5,000 press conferences these guys need to do than to answer alllll that stuff about deciding to enter the draft. Even beyond that the rest of the team has to answer about how they'll be next season without blah blah. Call me suspect.
Come back, enjoy your SENIOR year.
Get a small injury insurance policy and let it rip.
I doubt he is in it for the money, his family is already paid. Also, he can't really hurt his draft stock. Just come in and be consistent.
Either way. We're lucky to have THJ as a Mich man. Good luck.
I'm sure you know more about his draft stock than Tim Hardaway Sr.
I just think he can only raise his stock with a senior year. His family already has money, so he has no rush to go pro.
Without a first round guarantee, there's no reason to go anywhere.
Yeah, but his dad's an NBA scout. I think it's safe to say he's getting good advice.
This is also about next year's draft being perceived as much stronger than this one and a history of players dropping in the draft when then play all four years.
But it seems like they say that every year. Darius Morris "had" to go pro because the 2012 Draft would be stronger than 2011's . . . and then Trey "had" to go pro last year because the 2013 Draft would be stronger than 2012's. No one ever seems to project the upcoming draft to be good. It's always the next year's that is supposedly awesome.
That's fair and I was thinking that immediately as I posted it.
The main point is that he has better information and better connections into current NBA evaluations of his status than anyone here, so all the "he's not ready" comments are really pretty silly. If this is the decision he's made, it's almost certainly not coming from a misunderstanding of what scouts think of his game.
I think Timmy has a pretty good field of people to give him advice--his father, his father's multitude of contacts in the NBA and John Beilein to name a few. I suspect they are in a tad better position to assess his prospects than you or anyone here. And Tim's self interests don't necessarily mesh with ours.
It's not clear that Tim's stock will improve with another year in college--he may, in fact, improve more just being on an NBA roster--and this is a very weak draft. He's probably a high 2nd rounder, who could sneak into the 1st with good camps. I too would love him to stay--what a great kid--but he owes us nothing, and I will respect the decision he makes.
I don't disagree with any of this, except that I bet next year's draft will turn out to be "weak" as well.
Not to bash Sr. or the Hardaway family in general but I thought he was in money troubles?
Damn. I thought THJ wanted to even the score with Indiana
I'll believe it when I see it. Unless he has some inside info (dad is a scout for the Heat), I just don't think he's well served by leaving early.
This likely means good things for Hardaway's draft status. His dad is a scout, if anyone knows where he will be drafted its Tim Hardaway.
Enter the "this is driving a wedge into the team" media vomit, when in reality they've probably been talking about this amongst their teammates for months...
Nexr year will be a much better draft class. This is a notoriously down year, THJ has to go. I think hes peaked at Michigan and needs to move on. Thank you for three great years, Tim.
I swear, every year they say this. It's always a "down year" so it's optimal to go pro now. A year from now they'll probably be talking about how loaded the 2015 Draft will be.
Yep, and projections for next year's draft always involve guessing how high school seniors will do as freshman and thus how attractive they will then be when they are eligible for the draft. History is littered with super blue chip guys who either didn't pan out or took a while to become good. It's highly speculative to talk about next year's draft.
Also, if a large number of guys in college now who might go pro next year decide instead to go pro this year because "next year's draft is so loaded" then this year's draft winds up having more talent and 2014 has less.
Seriously, wasn't last year a massive down year so that's why Trey was considering leaving. Then the year before that Morris left because the draft was weak.
and every draft service says so. When Mclemore and Noel (even with his injury and lack of scoring ability) are typically 1 and 2, the draft is weak. There isn't a single player certain to start as a rookie. And yes, outside of Davis and a surprising Lillard, last year's draft was also comparatively weak. It's not like Timmy would be a lottery pick if he came back.
I think we've gotten to a point, with all the one-and-dones, that there will never again be a "strong" draft. There are always going to be a ton of guys going pro with lots of deficiencies in their games. This is starting to sound like a cheap sales pitch to get as many guys to leave as possible. And then when they do, what do you know - next year's draft will be weak, too.
A player should go pro if he feels that his game is at an NBA level. If THJ thinks he is, I don't fault him - he gave us three years as a starter. I'm just getting tired of the "He's got to go now because this year's draft is weak" pitch. If you've got NBA game, you'll stick. If not, it doesn't matter how the weak the draft is - you'll be out of the league anyway.
this was suppose to be a stronger draft this year. So last year, everyone said 2013 would be a stronger year, but now that it is here, everyone says that it is weaker. Get it?
Next year's class will be heavy at the top.. specially if guys like Nerlens Noel decide to stay.... But the fact that Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker might be in next year's draft shouldn't really affect TH jr. much. He was never going to be a top 10 pick.
If they're the only two to leave, we'll still be in good shape. THJ may want to wait for his evaluation from the draft board before he signs with an agent, though.
"I can see Hardaway considering it just because he may not believe he can improve more."
Did I interpret this correctly? I think you meant to say, 'because he may believe he cannot improve more.' If so, that goes against all rational meaning for a person wishing to enter the NBA draft as well as a team looking for a quality selection. Why would a team draft someone who can no longer improve?
What you probably should have written is, 'because (Burke) thinks he has done all he can do at Michigan. Staying longer, while he may improve his game some, it is not significant enough, thus it becomes a matter of diminishing returns.'
Did I hit it correctly?
It seems very odd that a Forbes reporter would break this rather than a basketball source.
I like Hardaway but I am more concerned about GR3 than him as far as replacing him for next year. We'll see what happens with the games too. Have to think that winning a national championship could tilt the equation if anyone is on the fence.
Still think he needs to work on being a better passer and doing more off of the dribble. Right now he just drives straight ahead and does his pretty finger roll or layup but his handle is not tight enough to have a bigger variety of moves and I'm not sure that is going to be that effective in the NBA.
really? GRIII could have bigger upside but THJ has proven to be much more valuable this year. I would expect his 2013-14 scoring to improve significantly next year if he stays. He's a legit #1 scoring option. I'm not so sure about GRIII.
the good news is that our incoming freshmen could easily start right away if needed.
His sources are probably other agents. I wouldn't read to much into this other than both players are thinking about leaving.
This article is a PR stunt by the agents named in the article. They are just getting themselves some free advertising by having someone leak this as a "news" story.
This article is not telling us anything that we don't suspect about Burke, and it wouldn't be a complete surprise if THJ left too.
Mark Bartlestein is a Top-10 NBA agent; the owner of the Priority Sports and Entertainment agency. And, he happens to also be Josh Bartlestein's dad. One would think that he'd have to be in the running for his son's teammates' business. Especially when trust is such a huge part of the agency/player relationship.
I agree that it is all way too early for any of the players or agents to breathe a word of anything to anybody. It can only be a distraction for Michigan basketball at this time. Early contacts by agents raise all kinds of NCAA red flags. One would have to guess that this is all pure speculation, and that it comes from the agency side of the buisness.
Something to keep in mind:
While this may be true (I think we'd all be 0% surprised to see Trey declare and 25% surprised to see THJ do same), Forbes.com has a similar model to Bleacher Reportand HuffPo when it comes to their articles - it's basically a contributed content farm model that incentivizes page-clicks. Forbes hosts 1,000 authors blogging about ten times that many topics - the Forbes brand gives them a certain cachet but I'd question how thoroughly they're fact-checked.
If Glenn Robinson III stays, then I think Michigan will be fine next year. But we're going to struggle if more than two of these guys (Burke, Hardaway, Robinson, McGary) go off to the NBA.
McGary already laughed off the possibility of leaving
I know...but Drew Henson said he was staying for his senior year.
I won't believe it 100% until the declaration date has passed.
Henson said he wouldn't enter the NFL Draft. He never actually ruled out going to play baseball.
Unless Mitch is actually also an MLB prospect, I feel good about him staying.
Just like THJ's dad may well be advising him that now is the time to take the NBA plunge, I would think the GR3's dad will urge him to stay one more year in college. It just seems that GR3 is young and needs just a bit more maturing -- the kind of things dads tend to be thinking about.
I was of course hoping that THJ would stay, but if I was his father I might well urge him to go now, too.
Unless he really, really wants to stay.
THJ should go only if he has good info about being drafted in the first round.
I just hope each one makes the right decision for himself.