God

November 27th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^

Wheatley is the definition of a good coach. Look how the Jaguars are performing this year. Bringing in a new coach made their rushing attack flourish. The Pep signing made no sense from the beginning. Helped coach the Browns to a 1-15 record. Last year the Browns started 5 different QBs. Does that sound similar to what happened to us this year? The ONLY reason he was hired was because he coached with Harbs at Stanford. Please fire. In fact, ban him from Michigan forever. Just kidding. Or am I?

1VaBlue1

November 27th, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

In 2014, Jedd was fired as OC of a 3-13 Jacksonville team, where his offense averaged 15 pts/game, was 31st in passing and 21st rushing .  That, after finishing 31st in total offense in 2013.

So what's your point about Cleveland?

HateSparty

November 27th, 2017 at 12:49 PM ^

Look at UCLA's stats without Josh Rosen in the lineup this year.  Might be an issue for the Fisch fans.  Who knows though?  Might have nothing to do with it.  Forget it, I'll just let Coach Harbaugh make this call.  Seems he's more adept.  

bronxblue

November 27th, 2017 at 11:38 AM ^

I've learned that most people calling for the firing of a coach have very little basis for the claim beyond "that part of the team isn't as good as I expect". I have no idea if Hamilton is a good offensive coach in college, but getting mad at the passing game this year and assuming that is his fault is the very definition of hottake.

The Krusty Kra…

November 27th, 2017 at 11:48 AM ^

Dude only got his reputation because he worked with Andrew Luck and to be honest, based on his pedigree, that may have been more Luck's talent and intangibles than coaching, so that covers their time together and Stanford and with the Colts. He then went to the perpetual dumpster fire of the Cleveland Browns, then came to Michigan. Just because he's Harbaugh's buddy that did well at Stanford doesn't make him some kind of passing game god, but more importantly, it sure as hell doesn't earn him a seven figure salary here. 

CLord

November 27th, 2017 at 12:05 PM ^

What coach could have done a better job masking the issues of a passing game that started three different quarterbacks, and had had to play true freshman wide receivers extensively?  Oh I don't know, maybe Ohio State's coaches who just plugged a freshman QB in when Barrett went down who then proceeded to march an offense loaded with mediocre receivers up and down the faces of one of the best Ds in college?  Bye Pep, don't let the door hit you on the way out.  

 

N. Campus Tech

November 27th, 2017 at 12:09 PM ^

The offense was awful at the start of the season, with the same QB and RBs from last year and an OL that wasn't any worse than last year. There was a drop in WR talent, but that doesn't account for how bad the offense was.

What else changed? The passing game coordinator. Whatever NFL things he was doing, wasn't translating to this team.

I would rather have a college coordinator run the offense than an NFL guy.

Reader71

November 27th, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^

The offense lost it’s starting RB (the only one who was a good pass protector), both WR, an All-American TE and his top backup, and 3 OL (though imperfect, much better pass protectors than the current crop).

And the fact that it was early is the season makes all of those problems worse than they were later in the season, when the replacements would have gotten hundreds of game snaps to improve.

The OC change had an effect, but I think Fisch would have scuffled under those circumstances, too.

Brhino

November 27th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

I know people are looking for various offensive coaches to blame for our not-so-good offense, and then hoping for those coaches to be reassigned/fired/whatever... but I can't help but wonder if stability might be more valuable.  Is it better to hang onto a B- coach for a few years and actually have players who have been taught by the same person? 

VicTorious1

November 27th, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^

What I learned from watching games this year vs last year is that our offense scored more last year than this year.  The main coaching hire difference is Pep was here this year and Jed was here last year.  As a result, my definitive conclusion is that Jed is better than Pep for our offense.  There are no other variables that likely had any effect on the offense's performance.

Brhino

November 27th, 2017 at 11:20 AM ^

A better coach isn't going to make players worse, exactly... although it's not always easy to really know if your'e getting a better coach or not.  There are only so many Don Browns in the world.

 

I'm just wondering, who's going to be better?  A senior offensive lineman who has had the same good-but-not-great line coach for 4 years, or the same lineman who has had 3 different coaches teaching three different techniques, even though the last one is a great coach?

Reader71

November 27th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^

I don’t think O’Korn regressed. He improved from last year, when Fisch brilliantly game-planned him into a 60-yard passing day against Indiana.

I have no real opinion on Pep (or Fisch) but there’s only so much you can do when you can’t pass block and you don’t have a QB capable of making some plays. Anyone who is convinced of anything about Pep is not justified.

Blue_by_U

November 27th, 2017 at 11:32 AM ^

yeah I agree, and at the high school level we had five different d-coordinators in five years, all had a different mindset and game plan, even down to scheme and lineup. it was CHAOS. On the other hand, if the head coach (insert Harbaugh) seeks out better guys with the same essential 'plan', I think better becomes a relative term. Case in point, Mattison was a great coach, Don Brown took that to the next level...it became a positive change and is likely the best example of upgrading and change with improved performance.

 The thing we need more than anything else is a line coach. Plenty of former UM linemen/Bo guys who could probably add a lot. Likewise I am sure there are other coaches at other programs who could fill the gap. Talent will go a long way, but scheme and strategy will enhance.

JonnyHintz

November 27th, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^

Part of the problem IMO is Pep came in wanting to run NFL style formations. Spread the field and have the QB hit WRs on complex routes. Problem there. Michigan’s youth isn’t set up for that and Harbaugh recruited to run things the way he did at Stanford. The offense became noticeably better one they started lining up in manball formations and stopped trying to spread the field.