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Submitted by k06em01 on November 9th, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Most notable updates from 'wednesday recruiting'...

#1) it sounds like cornelius jones might end up being a DB here. he's pretty big, 6-2, 200lbs, so i'll list him at strong safety for now. makes him even more intriguing...and he was very intriguing to me even before this. #2) it sounds like we're slipping on LB Olaniyan.

So, according to Sam Webb, we've still got 4-6 scholarships available. It's possible that we're going to take more than that (not renewing 5th year seniors, assigning early enrollees to last year's class, etc.). Personally, I think that is true, and I am looking forward to RichRod busting out the snake oil. But for now, for the sake of simplicity, I will keep my predictions at 4-6.

It sounds like we've got the inside track on Christian, Grimes, Beachum, and maybe Murphy. Here is a list of all the players that we SEEM to still be in on, in order of our in-ness. Like I said before, I think Rich Rod's got some under the radar snake oil stuff going on, but I'll leave that alone for now.

RB - McDowell
WR - Stills?
DT - Beachum, Thornton
DE - Murphy, Clemmings, Mackal
LB - Furman, Cornelius, Nealy (new offer), Olaniyan?
S - Knight, Jefferson, Parker
CB - Christian, Grimes, Mathis

If we do indeed land the four players that we seem to have the inside track on, I would like to see us using the last two scholarships on a linebacker (Furman!?), and a safety (Knight!?). If we can land a class of those six, the complete class would look something like this:

QB: Gardner
SB: White
FB: Hopkins
WR: Robinson, Williamson
WR: Miller
SR: Drake
SR: Dileo
TE: Jackson
LT:
LG:
C: Pace
RG:
RT:

NT: BEACHUM
DT: Talbott
DE: Wilkins, Paskorz
Q: Kinnard, MURPHY
MLB:
WLB: FURMAN
SLB: Robinson
SS: Jones
FS: KNIGHT, Johnson
CB: CHRISTIAN, Avery
CB: GRIMES, Talbott

If that is indeed the recruiting class we sign, then this is what I see our starting lineup looking like next year. I'm not going to list BACKUPS here, just guys that I think have a shot to play...a lot.

QB: Forcier/Gardner
SB: Shaw/Smith...Cox-goalline...Robinson-harvin!?
FB: Moundros
WR: Hemingway...Stokes/Robinson (jr. will get hurt)
WR: Stonum
SR: Odoms
SR: Roundtree/Gallon
TE: Koger
LT: Dorrestein/Omameh/Lewan/Schofield
LG: Schilling
C: Molk
RG: Omameh/Ferrara/Barnum/Washington
RT: Huyge

NT: Campbell/Martin
DT: Martin/Van Bergen
DE: Van Bergen/LaLota/Wilkins/Roh
Q: Roh/Ezeh
MLB: Ezeh/Fitzgerald...Bell?
WLB: Mouton/Leach...FURMAN!?
SLB: Jones/Hawthorne/Robinson
SS: Kovacs/Williams...Emilien/Gordon...KNIGHT!?
FS: Turner/Woolfolk
CB: Warren
CB: Woolfolk/Turner/CHRISTIAN!?

Comments

Magnus

November 9th, 2009 at 12:19 PM ^

1) We're not getting Schofner or Kaufman. I expect we'll get one more OL from some guy who hasn't yet been offered. Beachum is being recruited as a DT, by the way.

2) I think we have a good shot with Thornton. Beachum is still committed to Arkansas, so I'm not sure how Webb can be so sure...

3) Murphy would be a good get. Other than that, I don't think we'll get any DEs currently on the board. But I think Paskorz will end up at DE, and maybe Wilkins, too.

4) I think we have a good shot at Furman. Jefferson and Olaniyan, not so much. TomVH says Jefferson is being recruited as a safety, FWIW.

5) Christian and Grimes are good bets. Knight is a possibility. Shaw is a big, fat no.

6) I sure as hell hope Jefferson or Parker commits at safety, because I don't want Swigert.

k06em01

November 9th, 2009 at 2:50 PM ^

1) We're not getting Schofner or Kaufman. I expect we'll get one more OL from some guy who hasn't yet been offered. Beachum is being recruited as a DT, by the way.

...maybe we'll pull an OMAMEH on a late bloomer that the staff's had it's eye on. He's starting as a RS Frosh now. Looking great!!!

2) I think we have a good shot with Thornton. Beachum is still committed to Arkansas, so I'm not sure how Webb can be so sure...

...what makes you think that we have such a good shot with Thornton?

3) Murphy would be a good get. Other than that, I don't think we'll get any DEs currently on the board. But I think Paskorz will end up at DE, and maybe Wilkins, too.

...the way we are recruiting undersized edge rushers, maybe we are thinking something more along the lines of Paskorz-DT, Wilkins-DE, ???-quick.

4) I think we have a good shot at Furman. Jefferson and Olaniyan, not so much. TomVH says Jefferson is being recruited as a safety, FWIW.

...if Jefferson is being recruited at safety, he could start NEXT season.

5) Christian and Grimes are good bets. Knight is a possibility. Shaw is a big, fat no.

...why no on Shaw?

6) I sure as hell hope Jefferson or Parker commits at safety, because I don't want Swigert.

...what don't you like about Swigert?

TomVH

November 9th, 2009 at 2:59 PM ^

Thornton is visiting for the OSU game with his teammate Tyrone Cornelius. He says he likes the Big Ten, and likes Michigna and Penn State.

Josh Shaw is not considering us anymore, so that's why we're not getting him.

I talked to Wilkins the other day, and the coaches have told him he will try out for both the quick and the DE position. They'll figure out where he's best suited. He's got a good frame to build on.

Magnus

November 9th, 2009 at 4:07 PM ^

Swigert just isn't a fast-twitch athlete. He's a decent receiver, but I wouldn't want to see him try to tackle someone. He's probably the last DB on our board that I'd want.

TomVH answered most of your other questions, but I don't see Paskorz being a DT. He's probably a DE or maybe a Quick.

West Texas Blue

November 9th, 2009 at 12:21 PM ^

There's no doubt in my mind that we will oversign and take 28 recruits this year. We need defensive numbers, and we need them badly. 25 will be used for this class, and with high numbers of expected early enrollees, the remaining 3 recruits can be counted toward the previous class. I expect very few 5th year scholarships to be handed out for next year. We need 2 CBs, 2 safeties, a DT, 1-2 OLB, and maybe a OL or TE.

Magnus

November 9th, 2009 at 12:32 PM ^

Here are the guys up for a fifth year:

QB David Cone
QB Nick Sheridan
FB Mark Moundros
OT Perry Dorrestein
OG John Ferrara
OG Steve Schilling
DT Greg Banks
DE Adam Patterson
LB Obi Ezeh
LB Jonas Mouton
K Bryan Wright

Of those 11 guys, I think Moundros, Dorrestein, Ferrara, Schilling, Banks, Ezeh, and Mouton will get fifth years if they want them. That's 7.

Sheridan, Cone, and Wright are probable nos. Patterson is a maybe; he doesn't play, but we're very thin on the DL.

k06em01

November 9th, 2009 at 2:55 PM ^

QB David Cone - not needed.
QB Nick Sheridan - MAYBE.
FB Mark Moundros - NEEDED.
OT Perry Dorrestein - NEEDED.
OG John Ferrara - MAYBE.
OG Steve Schilling - NEEDED.
DT Greg Banks - MAYBE.
DE Adam Patterson - not needed.
LB Obi Ezeh - NEEDED.
LB Jonas Mouton - NEEDED.
K Bryan Wright - MAYBE.

I see 5 guys back for sure, and 4 maybes for depth.

k06em01

November 10th, 2009 at 3:59 PM ^

not so, heininger plays more than both of those guys...

NT: Campbell, Sagesse, BIG TEX?
DT: Martin, Heininger, TALBOTT
DE: Van Bergen, LaLota, WILKINS, PASKORZ
Q: Roh, Herron, Watson, KINNARD, MURPHY?

I think that Banks will probably be back...but if we can swap him for a recruit I'd do it in a heart beat. The depth chart doesn't look too bad without him. Patterson has absolutely no chance.

TomVH

November 9th, 2009 at 1:00 PM ^

There's a ways to go until signing day, so here's my two cents as of now:

I think we'll get:

- Cullen Christian
- Tony Grimes
- Clarence Murphy
- Jatushan Beachum

I'm not too sure, but there's a shot:

- Rashad Knight (DB, We'll know more after his visit)
- Aramide Olaniyan (LB, Visiting in Dec. with parents, we'll know more then)
- Tony Jefferson (S/LB, Visiting for OSU)
- Josh Furman (LB, M is, seemingly, in his top two)
- Mike Thornton (DT, Likes the Big Ten)
- Tyrone Cornelius (LB, teammate of Thornton)
- TJ Clemmings (DE, committed to Pittsburgh, we've gotten in on him late, but have made progress)
- Sean Parker (S, Continues to list us, he stays quiet so it's hard to tell)
- Kenny Stills (WR, worked with Tate, official visit for OSU)
- David Mackall (DE, Rivals says he's committed to Maryland, Scout says nothing)

k06em01

November 9th, 2009 at 3:02 PM ^

alright, well, now with you and sam webb, that's two credible sources i've heard state that we'll get big tex, christian, and grimes. the way we're still going after undersized de's, i'd guess that murphy isn't guaranteed, but i don't doubt that he will commit. If we can get those 4...

DT - Big Tex.

DE - Murphy.

DB - Christian

DB - Grimes

LB - ??? Olaniyan? Furman? Cornelius?

6th - ??? Knight (DB)? Jefferson (DB/LB)? Thornton (DT)? Clemmings (DE)? Parker (DB)?, Stills (WR)?, Mackall (DE)?

God's speed richrod!

wishitwas97

November 9th, 2009 at 1:53 PM ^

Big Tex
Cullen Christian
Tony Grimes
Clarence Murphy
Josh Furman
Wildcard: either Olaniyan or Stills(he seems to love Michigan for some reason but a long shot IMO).

Gerald R. Ford

November 9th, 2009 at 4:49 PM ^

Fat Charlie is on a serious hot-seat this very moment. This has been the buzz all over ESPN today (not that we consider ESPN the most credible source). If you think we've it bad, right now I would hate to be a Domer.

Which brings me to the question: I asked this a while back but there are two guys on the ND board currently who seriously considered UofM at one point or another: Lo Wood and Chris Martin. At this point in time, would we still be in communication with these guys?

Magnus

November 9th, 2009 at 4:54 PM ^

I haven't heard anything about either one of those guys in a long time.

Regardless, I don't think Chris Martin was ever that realistic of an option.

On the other hand, Lo Wood was considered a Michigan lock at one point. We were also being considerd by Spencer Boyd, Alex Welch, and Christian Lombard at various points. Weis's departure could affect some of them, but they might be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire if they go from one tenuous coaching situation to Michigan.

MCHammer-smooth

November 9th, 2009 at 5:40 PM ^

This has nothing to do with your post but aren't you the one saying we won't sign all the WRs we have committed? If that is true then that could open the door for 1-2 more scholarships to get amaride or Furman. Im not sure what they have been saying recently but I had a good feeling about them not too long ago and they would/could be huge gets. As well as CC, grimes, every DB available.

Magnus

November 9th, 2009 at 5:44 PM ^

Yes, I do think one of our five current WRs will end up elsewhere, or at least that one of them is going to have to accept a move to defense. I think Williamson might be the odd man out, but that's pure conjecture.

I do think Furman is a very real possibility. I'm not so sure about Olaniyan, though.

k06em01

November 9th, 2009 at 11:47 PM ^

It sounds like we're going to have 4-6 scholarships to give, and it sounds like we've got 3/4 guys in the bag:

DB - christian
DB - grimes
DT - big tex
DE - murphy?

It sounds like we're still in on some:

DB's - jefferson, parker, knight
LB's - olaniyan, furman, cornelius
DE's - clemmings, mackal
a DT - thornton
a WR - stills

accurate summary?

TomVH

November 10th, 2009 at 12:57 PM ^

Let's not say, "In the bag." This is as of right now, and as we all have seen, anything can change.

I'm assuming that we'll have some decommits, or some kind of movement somewhere. I don't know anything that I'm not telling you, I just think it's probably going to happen.

k06em01

November 10th, 2009 at 12:38 PM ^

that's fine, would have been a nice bonus, but not a huge blow. if we land the 4 guys that we're in line to...

DB - christian
DB - grimes
DT - big tex
DE - murphy?

and we're still able to land one of the following db's, and one of the following lb's (listed in order of preference)...i'll be happy!

DB's - jefferson, parker, knight
LB's - olaniyan, furman, cornelius

QB: Gardner, Jones
SB: White, Hopkins
WR: Robinson, Williamson
WR: Miller
SR: Drake, Dileo
TE: Jackson
LT:
LG:
C: Pace
RG:
RT:

NT: BIG TEX
DT: Talbott
DE: Wilkins, Paskorz
Q: MURPHY, Kinnard
M:
W: OLANIYAN
S: Robinson
F: Johnson
$: JEFFERSON
C: CHRISTIAN, Avery
C: GRIMES, Talbott

Magnus

November 10th, 2009 at 1:11 PM ^

Why are people suggesting that Jatashun Beachum is "in the bag" or "an expected commit"? He's currently committed to Arkansas and I haven't seen/heard any evidence that he's on the verge of switching that commitment to Michigan. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I think some of you are counting your chickens before they hatch...

k06em01

November 10th, 2009 at 3:40 PM ^

if we land a class of...christian, grimes, big tex, murphy, olaniyan and jefferson...i see our startes next season looking something like:

QB: Forcier/Gardner
SB: Shaw/Smith...Cox-goalline
FB: Moundros
WR: Hemingway/Stokes/Robinson...you know junior will get hurt
WR: Stonum
SR: Odoms
SR: Roundtree/Gallon...he could explode onto the scene.
TE: Koger
LT: Dorrestein/Omameh/Lewan
LG: Schilling
C: Molk
RG: Omameh/Ferrara/Barnum/Washington/
RT: Huyge/Omameh/Schofield

NT: Campbell/Martin
DT: Martin/Van Bergen
DE: Van Bergen/LaLota/Wilkins
Q: Roh
MLB: Ezeh/Fitzgerald
WLB: Mouton/Leach/Bell
SLB: Jones/Hawthorne/Robinson
SS: JEFFERSON...Kovacs/Williams...Emilien/Gordon
FS: Turner/Woolfolk
CB: Turner/Woolfolk/CHRISTIAN
CB: Warren

ATrain32

November 10th, 2009 at 10:49 PM ^

FWIW, this topic may be have been posted last week,but I think the discussion was worthwhile and I like the way that you keep re-summarizing and forming the list. Not only is it fun to speculate, but also informative too.

A good recruiting class would bring some hope down the line even if it won't impact directly on Saturdays for a while. Thanks for the post.