July 7th, 2014 at 7:09 AM ^

Yep.  How many years have we beaten ND, gotten our hopes up, only to get smashed by any rigid defense in the Big 10 - feels like an annual thing since 2008.

We are 6-2 against ND in the last 8.  If we lose this year I am not going to bang my head into a wall after the immediate aftermath.

Meanwhile if Sparty wins they will be 7-1 versus us in the last 8 which will have to be the worst streak in our history.  Hell we havent scored a TD in 2 years versus MSU.  And our streak for OSU already has to be our worst disaster - and if not for Fickell it would be even more egregious. 


July 7th, 2014 at 8:33 AM ^

Even if we lose to ND, at ND at night, they will always be our bitch.  We made them look like fools over the last decade . . . 2003 beatdown I, 2007 beatdown II, 2006 D-Fest, 2009 Tatered, The Denarding in 2010, 2011 UTL I and 2013 UTL II.  

They could not have looked more hapless in those games.



July 7th, 2014 at 10:17 AM ^

One of my favorites was in 2009 at the end of the game when Charlie Weis decided to throw on 3rd and long against our 5-star cornerback instead of running down the clock to a few seconds left.  It was incomplete of course, and it gave Tate enough time to drive the ball down to the game-winning TD.  
You could always count on Charlie Weis to do something stupid to prove how smart he was.  
Miss you, Big Guy.  XOXOXO.

Decatur Jack

July 7th, 2014 at 8:27 AM ^

I don't even know why this is a question. If we lose to Notre Dame, I'm slightly bummed. If we lose to MSU, I'm pissed. If we lose to MSU and OSU in the same year, I'm crawling on the ceiling spewing exorcism related things.

So we beat ND. Big fucking deal. It impacts us zero percent in the Big Ten and doesn't matter a lick in the MNC if we lose to MSU and OSU. Those are the two we have to beat. And if we go 2-1 with the loss being to ND, you know what? Fuck it, I'm going to be fucking happy.

Wolverine Devotee

July 6th, 2014 at 10:17 PM ^

That game against ND is worth nothing more than a "who won the last game?" type thing. Michigan has already won the series.

They aren't rivals to me. Rivals don't bitch out and run away to play Wake Forest and Duke. Michigan has won the series record-wise and has owned them winning 6 of the last 8. Michigan has scored 38 points or more in four of those games, winning by double digits three times. 

That game against them is the least of my concerns. I don't care. If they win, good. If not, oh well, this team isn't going to win the national title anyways so it's not a big deal. 

The game I'm most concerned with in the non-conf is the first game. 

South TX MFan

July 6th, 2014 at 10:19 PM ^

As much as I REALLY want to beat those chickenshit Irish before the series ends, and as much as I'm REALLY tired of losing to MSU, neither of them compares to my hatred for OSU or desire to get The Game back on track. Therefore:

1. OSU
2. MSU
3. ND

Wolverine Devotee

July 6th, 2014 at 10:24 PM ^

It's always beat ohio. 

I've seen Michigan beat ohio three times in my life. I was 5 and 8 for 2000 and 2003. I remember nothing from 2000 and three things from 2003.

Michigan beating them in 2011 was the greatest I have EVER felt in my life. I don't care if I get any crap for it, it's the absolute truth. That day was just.......liberating. 


July 6th, 2014 at 10:29 PM ^

I'm the same age as you so I completely get it because I too barely remember 03', and 2006 was the biggest Michigan/Ohio State game that I can fully remember, so I would really like to get my fair share of Michigan wins over Ohio. But I am surrounded by MSU fans, not OSU fans so I can take losing to Ohio and not really hear about it, but MSU fans are killing me on a yearly basis now. 

Wolverine Devotee

July 6th, 2014 at 11:06 PM ^

This may be the greatest Lloyd Carr quote ever.


"I think it's very, very important that Bobby Williams be given an opportunity to fulfill his contract at Michigan State,'' Carr said.

That quote was after the 2002 game.

All I remember from that game was state scoring first and their fans going crazy on TV....and then.....this happened....

God, I'd love to hear more fan stories from that. 


July 6th, 2014 at 11:14 PM ^

That was 2006 if I am not mistaken? I barely remember anything about that game because Tigers/Yanks ALDS Game 4 was on around the same time and I just assumed that Michigan would take care of business against State, ahhh those were the days. Honestly though I believe our brightest days are not too far ahead of us. 

Wolverine Devotee

July 6th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^

You're thinking of 2006. That was our final farewell to John L. Smith. 31-13. 

Weird 4:30pm kickoff but Michigan just streamrolled them. That was the year beating Minnesota was higher on the totem pole due to Mission Jug Rescue. 

My earliest memory of Michigan Football was the 2000 Orange Bowl. Considering I was 4, it's incredible. The celebration in my house when their kicker blew that PAT in OT is what I remember. 


July 7th, 2014 at 7:22 AM ^

This conversation saddens me because it is not unique - seeing people 18-19 year old who find beating OSU to be a shock and "unique" is a sad statement.  But reality.

On the positive side, this brand is so f*cking strong that we are still recruiting as if the series has been 6-6 in the past 12 years.  But let's stop pushing our damn luck.  It's getting to the point that recruits (younger than you 2 peeps) have to have their dads tell them about the time UM was matching (or besting) OSU on the field on an annual basis.

And we're starting to get to that point with MSU too, at least with 13-14 year olds.


July 7th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^

I was a freshman at OSU in 2003.  That win was incredible because the friends I made that year were completely unbearable after the national title.

Needless to say, over the next few years I got what was coming to me considering the way I acted after that game.  I put my stereo in the hallway of my dorm and played The Victors maxed out.


July 6th, 2014 at 10:30 PM ^

I don't know if this stat will help or not...I'm cherry-picking the years, but from 1976-2000, Michigan was 17-7-1 vs OSU.  (My first Michigan-Ohio State recollection was watching the 1970 20-9 loss on TV as I was about to turn 6.)

Wolverine Devotee

July 6th, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^

I don't mean to go all statz here but just something interesting....

The longest winless streak in the opponent's city is 14 years. 

ohio was winless in Ann Arbor for 14 years, until they won in 2001. After that season, well, I think we know what they did with their run through the 2000s.

Michigan's current winless streak in Columbus is.......14 years. 


July 6th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^

I wish I watched Michigan far enough back to see the time when beating Ohio was the expected occurance. Being that I became a fan in '06, it's just ingrained in me that we are inferior to OSU and lose to them every year (when Luke Fickell isn't "coaching")


July 7th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^

The set "expectation" inside Schembechler is still surely "We want to beat Ohio every year!!" but realistic expectations suggest Ohio should be beating us pretty much every year. They've been the better team and program for close to a decade now (arguably longer)


July 7th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^

Point taken, however...I expect every January 1st that I am going to have 365 lunches during the coming year. Am I being realistic in thinking that? If I am too busy one day and don't eat lunch, that may be my reality or result on that day, but that does not change the fact that I didn't expect to eat lunch that day or every other day of the year. I don't care how bad this team or program looks to outsiders, Coach Home was hired with the expectation of beating Ohio State, MSU, winning the BIG and going to the Rose Bowl and mending the program. Has the "Game" countdown clock been removed?


July 6th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^

Same, I'm a little older than you think and the best Michigan football memory I have was the one win I ever saw or heard about (I didn't start really watching Michigan football until after the 2006 season, although I did watch the Rose Bowls). So maybe I'll switch, beating OSU will help restore balance to the force.


July 6th, 2014 at 10:26 PM ^

I hate them all, but I think it might be MSU-OSU-ND, but MSU and OSU are almost the same. I want to win the last one against ND just to leave on a good note, but the other two are more important.


July 6th, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^

1. So tired of MSU being better than us. Can't stand anything about that school

2. Because its OSU

3. So ND can't run away with the last win like the chickens they are though this isn't a big one if we lose as most games in the last 10 years have resulted in crushing humiliation for ND in one way or another

rob f

July 6th, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^

between MSU and OSU at this point.  Just so sick and tired of losing to both of them right now that there is no f'n way I am ready, willing, or able to deal with having to again "wait until next year" in those two rivalries.

As for those chicken-s***s?  Let them eat figs, but as much distaste I have for ND, if Michigan has to lose to one of those three teams, lets get it out of our system there.  (And its not easy to say that, being that I'm only a bit over a half-hour away from ND and would have to listen to those hens cackling about a win for a long, long time.)

Jehu the Damaja

July 6th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^

OSU is always the #1team to beat. Every year. Our recruiting in Ohio is much more critical than the usually not-too-great talent in-state. And beating them always helps with that.


July 6th, 2014 at 10:43 PM ^

To start beating MSU, by far the biggest game of our season, normally I'd say osu but this program better start treating that MSU game just like Ohio state. To hell with Notre dame...


July 6th, 2014 at 11:00 PM ^

I have to go with OSU/MSU tied for first followed by ND. Let's be honest, ND falls of our radar after this year's game and while we recruit the same kids and it would be great to end the series with a win, losing to OSU or MSU again is a much larger issue.  Negative recruiting, in-state recruiting, perception (reality), and the overall emotional impact on the fanbase.