jmblue

September 1st, 2010 at 5:15 PM ^

Oddly enough, they do play for a trophy as it is, which is probably why they were grouped together. 

For MSU this is a big step down from PSU every year, but honestly, would it have been fair to force PSU to keep playing that game?  The truth is that MSU just doesn't really have any rivalries in conference (they do have ND out of conference) besides us.

No Keith...It's Over

September 1st, 2010 at 6:22 PM ^

Long time first time....

This is just one more clear example of MSU basically not having a major rival other than Michigan, and that we will always and forever see them as a secondary rival.  No wonder the little brother syndrom is so strong.

I will say that I would have preferred MSU vs. Iowa and Indiana vs. Purdue, for schedule strength fairness in the former and tradition in the latter

bklein09

September 1st, 2010 at 5:08 PM ^

Wow that seems to work out really well for Wisconsin.

In any given year they could miss Michigan, Iowa, and Nebraska. 

Once there is a 9 game conference schedule they could only miss 2 of the 3 but thats still a big deal IMO for a team that is fairly consistent at being toward the top of the conference. 

WolverineHistorian

September 1st, 2010 at 5:42 PM ^

Well, it's nice to see that dividing the conference won't change anything for the Badgers.  They have a long history of avoiding quality Big Ten teams. 

1993: No Penn State (10-2)

1994: No Penn State (12-0)

1995: No Michigan (9-3)

1996: No Michigan (8-4)

1997: No Ohio State (10-3)

1998: No Ohio State (11-1)

1999: No Penn State (10-3)

2003: No Michigan (10-3)

2004: No Michigan (9-3)

2005: No Ohio State (10-2)

2006: No Ohio State (11-1)

2009: No Penn State (11-2)

Missing a big in conference opponent helped them to those 3 Rose Bowls in the 90's.  I don't think any opponent has missed as many powers as Wisconsin.  And the new Big 10 conference won't change that.

Maize and Blue…

September 1st, 2010 at 5:12 PM ^

begs to say- trying to get over so we can get a division championship.  Sparty's current protected games are us and PSU.  Will the crossover game count toward determining the divisional winners?  If so, advantage Sparty and Wisconsin.  Iowa must be POd by losing the Wisky game though.

jmblue

September 1st, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^

Are all these games going to be played the last week of the season, or just UM-OSU?  I think Ill-NW is the only other one that is currently played then (although Wisc-Minn have sometimes played at the end of the season).  I would guess not (since that would move IU-PU, which is a pretty important game), but it could make scheduling awkward otherwise.

bigmc6000

September 1st, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^

I know they do the protected rivalry in the SEC but holy cow it creates some amazingly lop-sided scheduling.  Michigan has to play OSU every year whereas MSU has to play Indiana - wow, yeah, that's "competitive" balance for sure...  Looks like PSU, OSU, UM and NU are getting shat on every single year while Wisconsin and Iowa, perennial contenders, get a much, much easier game.  Just put OSU and UM in the same division and do away with the protected rivalry game, it just creates way too much imbalance.

 

Watch this magic - I'm going to preserve all the above games:

Div 1: PU, Iowa, OSU, UM, MSU, IU

Div 2: Ill, NW, PSU, NU, Wisc, Minn

Tough huh?

Section 1

September 1st, 2010 at 5:43 PM ^

The fans and the AD's at Illinois, Northwestern, Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Minnesota would never buy into that; they'd vote "No" on that alignment.

They all want to have at least one of either Michigan or Ohio State in their division.  Anything less, makes them feel like they've been kicked out of the Big Ten and placed into the Leftover Conference.

Greg McMurtry

September 1st, 2010 at 6:05 PM ^

what is their season goal if they feel their division is weak?  (Assuming that you meant leftover division.)  Is it not to win the division?  If UM and OSU are so dominating, aren't the other schools making a very poor statement about their own universities?  Wouldn't this give them a great chance to knock UM or OSU off the ledge by winning the Big Ten Championship?

Section 1

September 1st, 2010 at 6:22 PM ^

I wasn't talking about competitive balance at all.

Other Big Ten schools aren't thinking about how they could 'game' their way through an extra-weak schedule just to get into a playoff game.  They are thinking about how to serve their fans, who want a quality Big Ten football product brought into their own sizable stadiums every week during the football season.  For most Big Ten fans, having Michigan and/or Ohio State on the schedule is the marquee game of the year.  Losing both of them, more or less permanently, would be intolerable.

jmblue

September 1st, 2010 at 6:13 PM ^

Div 1: PU, Iowa, OSU, UM, MSU, IU

Iowa fans would despise this arrangement.  You'd be separating them from all their rivals: Minnesota, Wisconsin and Illinois. 

The only way to really preserve all the rivalries is to go straight geography: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, IU and PU in one division and the rest in the other.  But the league has ruled that out. 

MaizenBlueBP

September 1st, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^

Wisconsin has a really nice protected rivalry lol.  Oh well i'm not worried about it.  Let the pieces fall where they may. Michigan is going to show the world that we're back this season and going to be dominant next season.  Worrying about the divisions and protected rivalries is wasteful. lets concentrate on UConn and this season. 3 days GO BLUE

jtmc33

September 1st, 2010 at 5:18 PM ^

Purdue/ Iowa.  There is a rivalry that needs to be preserved.

Purdue versus MSU makes so much more sense than Iowa.  But then you are stuck with Iowa / Indiana.

You'd think that this forced cross-division "rivalries" would be enough to tilt the scales against these divisions.

Iowa/Minn/Wisc/Neb/Ill/Nw - IU/Purdue/PSU/MSU/UM/OSU

East -West.  No need for forced "rivalries". 

I'm BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!

smwilliams

September 1st, 2010 at 6:03 PM ^

Some of those protected games are head scratchers...

Nothing beats the long, storied tradition of Iowa vs Purdue. This seems like an excuse to throw Michigan and Ohio State in separate divisions and create "rivalries" so they can play The Game every year.