Prophetic words of wisdom from Jim Hackett
In the wake of this search I've been re-reading Three and Out which is pretty fascinating to do and compare what happened back then to this time around, but what's really crazy is that Bacon had Jim Hackett weigh in on what happened with RichRod and all the details of the messy buyout litigation and other details that weren't ironed out well at all before he signed on. And remember this book was published in 2011 but he was interviewing people for the book since early 2008 so it's likely that this quote came from Hackett earlier in the Rodriguez tenure. The excerpt reads:
"I know this from watching it too many times in business," said Jim Hackett, who played under Schembechler before rising to CEO of Steelcase Furniture in Grand Rapids. "We want something to happen so badly that, during the early lovefest, we pass over too many of the specifics because the general discussions are going so well, and the details are lost. You don't want to add tension in that moment. 'We'll get this rougly right and then iron it out later.' That sounds great--but then it becomes incumbent on the people doing the hiring to follow through."
I mean, wow. This clearly the approach he took in getting Harbaugh on board, and the sloppy searches in both 2007 and 2010 so obviously demonstrated just the opposite. We've heard many times that Brandon had a loose agreement with Harbaugh in 2010 and then just fell out of touch with him which resulted in SF coming in and swooping him up rather easily. For him to say this years ago and prove it completely true in this coaching search is pretty amazing.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^
Serious question: Had Brandon hired Harbaugh back in 2010, do you think Harbaugh would have left and gone to coach in the NFL a few years later?
I feel like coaching in the NFL was inevitable for Coach Harbaugh considering how successful he has been in college to see how he did at the highest stage in football. And maybe now that he knows he can turn a 49ers program that was struggling into a program that went to 3 straight NFC championship games plus a Super Bowl appearance, he won't feel as much of an urge to leave once he turns Michigan into a successful program again.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:45 AM ^
Brandon had been able to hire Harbaugh...from everything I've heard or read, that is quite a long shot. Sounds like JH did not want to work for DB at all, so I think a bigger shake up would have had to happen first before Jim would agree to signing on with Michigan.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:55 AM ^
Or maybe, at that point in his life and career, JH wanted to coach in the NFL and working under DB as AD was totally irrelevant.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 11:45 AM ^
Yeah I think him getting his NFL experience is huge. Maybe he really does thing college is a better fit, maybe he doesn't. But at least he did experience NFL and if he DOES thing college is better, great for us that he figured it out. If not, and he still wants to go back to the NFL, well it goes slightly against what he said about wanting to make a home here and bring Michigan back. That said, if he's wildly successful in 4-5 years I can see him making the jump back to the NFL to get his Super Bowl ring. The guy is too competitive to not want it.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
Thing?
January 8th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^
I'm tired: Find "Thing" replace with "think"
January 8th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^
I have wondered about that, too. I think right now, though, he won't leave for the NFL, at least not until his current seven-year contract is over. Michigan is a destination job, especially for someone like Jim Harbaugh. I think he knows that he will piss off a lot of people if he leaves Michigan before his contract is over, so that is one reason why I don't think he will do it now. The main reason being, of course, because he loves this alma mater.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:48 AM ^
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January 8th, 2015 at 12:03 PM ^
I don't think Harbaugh would take the job in 2011 and then leave 1-2 years later. He'd still be here.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 12:44 PM ^
I could imagine him leaving but not that soon. I think he'd have always given us at least five years.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
This is a very valid question that no one can answer, and it is doubtful that Harbaugh even knows the answer himself.
Knowing how competitive he is and his closeness to the University, I would think Harbaugh wouldn't entertain leaving until his job was finished, meaning dominance in the B1G and at least an NC appearance. After that is anyone's guess. If Harbaugh does things right and hangs around, he will become the next Bo
Like most Michigan fans who can rarely enjoy good stuff as long as we should, it is something that I, and I suspect many other fans, have thought about. But hey, it is only week two, not year seven.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:32 PM ^
What if Lloyd Carr had hired JH to be his QB coach in 2002 instead of Loeffler? Maybe there wouldn't have been a barren Carr coaching tree to lead to the outside hire in 2007?
January 8th, 2015 at 9:35 PM ^
What if I had avoided the dreaded double post?
January 8th, 2015 at 11:42 AM ^
I will probably pencil in Jim Hackett on the next presidential ballot.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:44 AM ^
This is why you have a good attorney there for each side: to think about all the things that can go wrong and let the parties figure out how to address them. "Who assumes the risk if X happens?" "What can we do to make sure the Y DOESN'T happen?" By ironing the questions out in advance, the parties see each other and how they deal with sensitive subjects, but at a time when both sides want to make it work rather than figuring out how much of a shit pie each side has to eat afterwards.
I'm curious who was in the room and why their wasn't a good transactional/HR attorney working through these items.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:53 AM ^
From the process described in the book, it was literally a seven day open-to-close deal involving only Carr, Martin, and Mary Sue on the Michigan side with former UM assistant and WVU head coach Don Nehlen helping him along the way from the West Virginia side along with a few others over there. No lawyers. RichRod had never even been to Ann Arbor before he accepted and was quickly whisked away to AA and thrown in front of the press with little preparation.
January 8th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^
That's my memory of 3-and-out as well, but I always assumed that there were others in the room who weren't mentioned (RR's Agent, who likely is an attorney, attorney for UM, some bean-counters, etc.) At a minimum, an attorney would have drafted up the agreement itself, and should have raised some of these questions. In general, not having an attorney around for a multi-million dollar deal seems amateurish, in the extreme. Thus, not unlikely.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:49 AM ^
Jim Hacket OG status.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^
JH getting NFL experience under his belt now is huge. If he had won the Super Bowl in year two it would be even bigger. My only fear, a small one right now, is that he has a need to get that 'itch' scratched at some point. Also, the thought of him working under Brandon is hilarious. No way it would've worked. The best day for UM Football since Jan 1 1998 was December 30 2014, the second best day was October 31 2014. Brandon being gone was so vital for everything that followed to happen. Going from him to Jim Hackett is incredible.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:53 AM ^
A Bo-era player told me in person three years ago that Brandon made the decision to hire Hoke at the 2010 UM spring golf outing, which meant that RR was a dead man walking the entire season. He's still well-connected to the program so it's hard for me to think that he's just making it up, but it's also a pretty damning accusation.
January 8th, 2015 at 11:56 AM ^
I find this less believable than Tater's preposterous claims that Brandon was directing the offensive playcalling during Hoke's regime. And that's saying something.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:03 PM ^
Was Hoke at the golf outing? I bet DB floated the idea at the outing, like: "If this RR guy can't win games I've got my eye on Hoke."
January 8th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
"We've heard many times that Brandon had a loose agreement with Harbaugh..."
No we haven't. This has actually come to light in this latest coaching search. The previous claims were that either Brandon didn't even pursue Harbaugh (various sources), or that he put feelers out "but the Harbaugh camp never really knew if Brandon was serious" (paraphrased from Bacon), or that he talked to Harbaugh and he wanted to be in the NFL (per Brandon, from his own press conference).
So now there's a new narrative, that I'm not sure of the details of, but if believed says Michigan and Harbaugh had a verbal agreement that he'd come. Are we buying that? If yes, are we retracting all the "Brandon had Hoke as his coach even before doing any search, it was all a sham" mob monger & such? And all the "he wanted someone he could control and be his puppet"? Because both of those (and various iterations of same) are bullshit if there was in fact a verbal agreement. He targeted Harbaugh as his coach and got him to agree.
If Brandon let it fall apart by not seeing it through (which again, I've not heard definitively), we can blame him for that. But are we not assigning any blame to Harbaugh, who - if any of this is true - agreed to coach his alma mater, then backed out when another offer came along?
January 8th, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
You may not have heard them but yes, there were stories of Harbaugh and Brandon having an informal agreement back in 2010. What I heard was that the deal broke off at some point in late December 2010.
There are conflicting narratives on this though. The other narrative is that we didn't really pursue him, or didn't do so until after we fired RR, which many (including Brian?) believe but doesn't jive with what I've heard. We may never know for sure.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:26 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 1:09 PM ^
My point wasn't that nothing was ever spokin of this. It has not been the primary view of this blog or the discussions of this blog, rather it was the other views that I included above.
If this is true, everyone can stop with various nonsense on Brandon: search was a sham, he wanted Hoke all along, wanted a puppet to control, never made an attempt at Harbaugh, etc.
And the second point: no one has any misgivings about Harbaugh stepping out of the agreement? It's convenient to say Brandon let it fall apart. What's required in that scenario is Harbaugh initiating the fall apart, though. I don't think people are quite as comfortable talking about that end of it.
We may never know? Sure, and I'm fine with that. But we can also then dispense with the various dubious narratives thrown around on this blog as if they are fact.
January 8th, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^
The (presumed) fact that Harbaugh backed out in 2010 was why Chris Balas didn't want to go over 50% in his percentages for a long time.
At this point I don't think it really matters. Harbaugh four years ago clearly was enticed by both Michigan and the pros, whereas now he clearly wants to be in college. If he had any interest in staying in the NFL, he would not have bolted for Michigan immediately after the season ended, before rival pro teams had a chance to make their pitches.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^
Wonder what JUB has to say about the possiblity of Harbaugh coming back in 2010. It was nnot mentioned in his two latest books. Since JUB is not shy, I would think that he would have mentioned it in one of the books.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^
Swim Lanes
January 8th, 2015 at 12:18 PM ^
Is 3 and out out of print right now??
Only being sold by third party sellers on amazon.
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It ships prime on Amazon for much cheaper than what MDen has it going for.
January 8th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^
Hackett was around to handle the CC this time around. I blame Martin and DB the most for the last 7 years of suck. RR and Hoke are a distant third and fourth on my list.
I too am glad that JH has already coached in the NFL. Unless he really wants a SB ring that itch has already been scratched. Hopefully his experience with the 49ers soured him on the pro game entirely. Massive success right from the start and management still craps all over you.
I believe him when he says that he wants to stay in A2. He has young kids and wants stability for them. Moving around all the time, even when you're rich, isn't the best thing for kids.
January 8th, 2015 at 7:41 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^
The great thing now in 2014-2015 is he's not just JH who turned around Stanford... he is JH who turned around Stanford, the 49'ers, went to 3 NFC championships, played on the biggest stage for football in America in the Super Bowl making him so undeniably relevant to the age group in which we recruit.
This means Michigan won't have to rely so much on "tradition" and the stars of MIchigan past that played when before these kids were born.
January 8th, 2015 at 5:35 PM ^
January 8th, 2015 at 9:13 PM ^
They're all around the house somewhere and provide much insight into things you go back and read about yet again later.
In "Bo's lasting lessons" JUB recounts how Bo described Hackett and Brandon. Hackett was the leader who made it part of his business to leave the office and spend time with front line workers so he knew what was going on with the people doing the work. It's nice to rely on people giving you information at meetings but it doesn't replace what you find out by visiting with the front lines. Brandon was praised by Bo for something similar, he was plugged into his operation more electronically and as Bo said, you'd send him an email at midnight and have your answer in the morning. Nothing wrong with that concept except for the sleep quality of the email sender. Yet look what happened all these years later because of that original well intentioned habit. My dad once told me there is nothing so good that people won't find ways to screw it up.
January 8th, 2015 at 9:15 PM ^
if I didn't say this with clarity, Hackett's approach is never the wrong one.