Practice Recap from GBMW

Submitted by MichiganStudent on

 

This is one of the greatest posts I have ever read. Its from GBMW. Although Eroc and Maizeman can be very difficult to read at times, I thought this post was excellent. I had to copy/paste it for this board incase people have not read it. 

I realize that this is EXTREMELY long, but I thought most people would enjoy it. 

 

Courtesy of GBMW and poster GFord1973.

[ed: dude, you can't C&P whole articles]

 

 

 

wlubd

April 12th, 2011 at 5:23 PM ^

No one's saying it isn't possible for freshman QB's to be in the upper echelon in their conference. But other then a few plays last year against inferior competition and the word of random observer of practice, there is nothing to go off of. If you believe that Gardner is a top 3 QB in the conference then that's your opinion. Most people would prefer to wait and see what he can actually do before making a claim like that.

R Kelly

April 12th, 2011 at 11:13 AM ^

Robinson, Pryor, Cousins, Persa, Bolden/McGloin, Rob Henry, Martinez, Scheelhause.

And yes, it would be ridiculous for Pike to be top three in the conference right now, that's why I just said he wasn't.  

And yes, it is crazy to think that Gardner is a top three QB in the big ten right now too.

 

 

*Edit: Apparently Don types faster than me and I should have refreshed the page. 

Don

April 12th, 2011 at 1:22 AM ^

We don't know who this guy is—he doesn't identify himself by name—so we have no way to verify anything he's saying. He's counting on us to accept on faith that his observations are accurate. I'm putting it into the "interesting, but not necessarily the truth" category myself.

GoBlueInNYC

April 12th, 2011 at 12:15 PM ^

I think the poster is a Russian spy sent to distract Michigan fans so that a revived USSR can invade the state of Michigan, a la Red Dawn. I have more points than you, so I must be right. Until someone with more points than me comes up with an equally plausible explanation.

Or, maybe people don't pay as much attention to points as you think they do.

trussll12

April 12th, 2011 at 1:26 AM ^

And Hoke has been coaching the "MICHIGAN program" in Muncie and San Diego all these years?  A true leader of men, unlike those coaches who plagued us these past three years?  Can someone tell me whether this quantum-leap-forward-in-coaching (a) has a lifetime winning record or (b) has ever won his conference?  I won't be mean and ask if he has ever made it to a BCS bowl, much less won one.  I get it -- RR and co. were bad, didn't get Michigan, can't coach a lick.  Hoke and co. are good, get Michigan, promote toughness and student athletes (don't look into the JUCO thing at SDSU), and have preternatural coaching abilities and love to coach.  I wonder why this never translated into a conference champsionship in the past 8 years?

 

 

SirJack

April 12th, 2011 at 10:43 AM ^

Why do people always put the words national title close to Rodriguez's name? The closest he ever came to one was when he managed to win the worst conference in college football and then lost the last game to a miserable Pitt team (because, surprise, the team was overly reliant on one star player).

trussll12

April 12th, 2011 at 10:51 AM ^

You think the MWC is better than the Big East?  How many conference titles did Hoke win in the MWC?

You think the MAC is better than the Big East?  How many conference titles did Hoke win in the MAC?  (Hint, even with a ranked team, he got beat in the conference title game by an unranked Turner Gill-coached squad.  Inspiring stuff.)

 

Don

April 12th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^

How many Super Bowls do you think Denver would have won if John Elway was injured in the first quarter? How many Super Bowls do you think that NE would have won if Tom Brady was injured in the first quarter? Or Joe Montana for the 49ers?

How many Rose Bowls against Washington State would we have won if Charles Woodson was injured in the first quarter? How many NC games against USC would Texas have won if VY was injured in the first quarter?

Would you then claim that all these teams were "overly reliant on one star player?"

Christ.

jmblue

April 12th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^

Brady Hoke has a national title ring.  So does Greg Mattison.  And Al Borges should have one (having coordinated a 12-0 Auburn team).  All three of these guys know what it takes to have a perfect season.

RR does not have a ring.  And unless he has an epiphany regarding the importance of defense - and the importance of keeping an undersized QB healthy - I don't see him winning one.

trussll12

April 12th, 2011 at 10:48 AM ^

So, by what logic is the answer is to hire a coach with a much worse W-L record in much smaller conferences?  I understand that a certain contingent has always and will forever hate RR, but these kinds of posts simply make no sense.   

>>>>

It was just proven with 8 foot strobe lights that the  W-L stats by a coach at a smaller conference means zilch at Michigan. Proven by Rodriguez.

>>>>

Harballer

April 12th, 2011 at 2:13 PM ^

Yes, Hoke brings in a worse W-L record, but you gotta look at the situation as a whole.  Look at what else he brings in.  He brings in Borges, an OC from a 13-0 should have been NC team at Auburn.  He brings in Mattison, a DC from Michigan, Florida, and most currently the Baltimore Ravens.  And the main thing is, as evident from the practices, he is letting them coach and teach and letting them do what they do best.  Lastly, he brings in what will satisfy the "Michigan Men" alum who wants a coach who understands the tradition more and can win over the fans and the media.  So yes, taking into account ALL of the factors, I see this as a much better hire than RR, who was unable to bring over Casteel with him when he left.

BigBlue02

April 12th, 2011 at 5:22 PM ^

This is ridiculous. I know we all like hindsight, but saying the Hoke hire now, with his losing record, is better than the RichRod hire at the time, fresh off a season he was 1 game away from the NC game, numerous winning seasons, dominating a conference for the better part of a decade, and a bcs bowl win to boot, is pretty absurd.

jmblue

April 12th, 2011 at 1:31 AM ^

Quite the writeup.  There's just one thing I find hard to believe:

Last year he made a few nice throws with a defender in his grille because he only had one read on most plays – if it wasn't there, he tucked and ran.

Was this really true?  I can hardly remember Denard ever tucking and running on designed pass plays.  I can't believe he just had a single read that often.

 

El Jeffe

April 12th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^

I think you know the answer to this. I'm not saying that invalidates all or even a part of the OP, but dear God. If you spent a minute and a half, max, watching Denard last year, you would know that this is a completely preposterous statement.

As I have said on numerous occasions, there are many things to be critical of RichRod for, but failure to design a lethal offense is surely not one of them.

Swazi

April 12th, 2011 at 1:45 AM ^

Nice to hear they're doing full contact drills.  Didn't RR say they didn't do much of that due to lack of depth?  I think that's what I pinned for poor tackling last year.

Sac Fly

April 12th, 2011 at 3:35 AM ^

i can't wait until chris rock and michael schofield are both starting, than someone else can relive the pain that i went thru trying to find out scouting information for them.

Hoken's Heroes

April 12th, 2011 at 4:32 AM ^

Is just the douchebag circlejerkers on here being the douchebag circlejerks. Haterz are just going to hate and many on here are just jealous POS. GBMW has more pertinent content on the team than anything on here. The only good thing about this board is Tom. That's it. Other than that, this board populate by a bunch of whiny high school girls who think their tampons don't stink. :)

wmu313

April 12th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

Jealous of GBMW? Really? Jealous of the illiterate GBMW site admin who got run off Scout for being a DB? Or jealous of the "insider" who got kicked off GoBlueWolverine for posting false info about a practice he was supposedly at? It's funny you'd call people on this site a bunch of whiners, when GBMW is full of butthurt whiners who take any opportunity they can to take shots at the former coaching staff and the site they used to be associated with.

Jasper

April 12th, 2011 at 8:27 AM ^

I'm tempted to say tl;dr but I can't lie -- I read the whole thing.  It hurt my head a bit, yes, but after applying a filter I was able to enjoy the content.  I think there's good stuff in there.

Could they maybe enlist a volunteer student (or maybe just a sharp 9th-grader who did well in grammar) to wordsmith their posts?  How nice would that be?

Moe Greene

April 12th, 2011 at 7:55 AM ^

Love the 'raw feed' from the practice and some of the anecdotes about Coach and Ricky Powers. No idea whatsoever about the more editorial stuff. I find it hard to imagine that we can't take one of the most exciting players in the country to line up under center and make it work.....

 

The quality of their writing has gotten better, though, since the golden days of PAD LEVEL.

(PS: No, I'm not them)

UMICH1606

April 12th, 2011 at 8:03 AM ^

I have observed probably half of the practices this spring and cosign much of this report. He has some obvious prejudices though.

He is fairly accurate in stating that the first string DL is probably the best unit on the team. The second string D is really not all that good, or at the very least not ready outside of Black,T. Gordon,Robinson, and Jake Ryan. Cullen Christian will be a solid player eventually, but he needs a little more seasoning. He was way too hard on Marvin Robinson at this point in time with the looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane bit. The scheduled practices are Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday, and Marvin has class on Tuesday, so obviously missing 1/3 of the practices will put him behind the others. He is currently backing up Carvin at FS, but Marvin will be in the rotation somewhere, possibly at both safety positions. Ideally, I think he takes a run at Jordan Kovacs this fall.

He is fairly accurate that there is nobody that is taking hold of the RB position and making themselves the clear #1. The coaches are very eager to get Thomas Rawls on campus.

I am not sure if the Talbott brothers will ever be much of a factor. Terry recently had back surgery, and Terrance missed a lot of the spring because he was contemplating how bad he really wanted to play football in the offseason. He had left the team for a few, but is back now, and has to earn his way back.

He is accurate that Drew Dileo is burning up the depth chart, and that Devin Gardner will be a stud in this league.

He was on the money with Denard struggling the past couple of days, but let me provide some context. Denard had been doing pretty well the first couple of weeks. He has started to struggle as spring went on as he had to grasp more and more of the offense. Making a college offense 2nd nature has been Denard's biggest struggle as soon as he has stepped on campus. I am not saying he is dumb by any means, because he is a very bright kid. However, when things start moving fast for him, he gets excited, and thinks about things way too much rather than just trusting what he is seeing out there. Rich only ran about 60% of his offense as well with Denard because Denard would overthink things too much. He has such a strong desire to be a perfect quarterback that he sometimes doesn't rely enough on his God given talents, and trusting what he sees. He can make every throw in this offense with accuracy. He just needs more reps to gain some much needed comfort, and probably a break from the pressure of practice to study on his own. Being comfortable in the offense has been Devin's largest tangible advantage over Denard over two coaching regimes now besides the obvious protypical size.

He also mentioned that he would feel more comfortable with a healthy TW at FS. TW will be coming back at corner, and there is a fingers crossed vibe that Troy will even be the same player he was. Troy had a pretty devastating injury. Carvin has pretty much locked down the starting FS position as of now barring a bad summer. Besides of the obvious players who are already proven, Carvin, Cam, and Jake Ryan have been the most impressive defenders that I have seen when I was around.

What I take huge exception were his obvious prejudices about Rich Rodriguez. Rich made a lot of mistakes over his tenure here, but making past players feel welcome was not one of him. His bias got in the way of accurately telling the stories of the vibe of the coaching clinic week during the Rodriguez era as well. I am good friends with Gary Moeller, so I have had pretty good access to the past 3 coaching regimes, and Gary was always at practice during the Rodriguez era, and was very supportive of Rich. Jerry Hanlon was always at practice. There were always former players around when Rich was there, and he encouraged the players that were there to tell others to stop by as well. There was really no need to bring up the former staff in his report.

me

April 12th, 2011 at 9:37 AM ^

"He can make every throw in this offense with accuracy. He just needs more reps to gain some much needed comfort, and probably a break from the pressure of practice to study on his own."

 

I'm sure the coaches are trying to get him up to speed as quick as possible as they only have 15 practices.  That's a lot of information to process.  Given the summer to digest the information, I think we will see a different Denard in the fall practice.

Bodogblog

April 12th, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^

It should be noted that GBMW staff had Denard as one of the top players just a few days ago: http://gbmwolverine.com/2011/04/03/michigan-football-tidbits-spring-practice-8-report-%e2%80%94-top-5/

Any more practice insights like this are very much appreciated

If you can field a question, where is Elliot Mealer?  Not sure I've seen him all Spring

micheal honcho

April 12th, 2011 at 10:25 AM ^

If indeed you also have firsthand witness account, could you adress the following contrasts addressed by the OP.

1. These guys are coaching the D, not just standing there with thumb in ass while RR does all the yelling.

2. The D is being coached as a D rather than just to help the O

3. Guys are communicating more with eachother on the field

 

These are the contrasts presented by the OP that interest me the most, not the editorial stuff about Ricky Powers etc.

NateVolk

April 12th, 2011 at 8:24 AM ^

Instead of nit picking like one of those snob judges on Dancing with the Stars or whatever, we should thank this person for bringing us first-hand observations and valuable insight.  He was there, he took copious notes, he wrote a long detailed piece to share with others. He is giving great value to the community here.  I say make it a diary. Granted,  it isn't overloaded with supposedly meaningful stats that most of us have never heard of. It also isn't oozing with unproven conspiracy theories about how prior coaches were done in or the new coach was selected.

So maybe it isn't diary or feature post worthy.  Until proven otherwise by events, this is akin to a really good TomVH update about recruiting as far as value. 

 

Elno Lewis

April 12th, 2011 at 9:08 AM ^

passing this blog by a mile.  the brain cook needs to concentrate less on his witty writing style and amatuer analysis and get in there and dig for more observations.

 

i could be rong,. but......

Jasper

April 12th, 2011 at 9:36 AM ^

It might be more like kumquats and raisins.  I'm sure plenty of people read both sites, and I'd also like to see more detailed information here, but that doesn't seem to be MGoBlog's main purpose.  The "witty writing" is its principal appeal to some people.