JTrain

August 18th, 2018 at 6:04 AM ^

Is it really tho?  We had a dominant OL and running game then. We had an identity too. 

This year...what is our identity on offense? Sounds like something totally new. With another new QB. It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out on offense over the course of the next few years. How balanced we’ll be. More RPO?  Less RPO? Go back to the original plan of power O? Does it affect QB recruiting when Peters or whomever transfers?

i dunno. I guess you just have to trust in the coaches that the changes they are making all of the sudden are due to great vision and not out of last minute desperation. 

Not trying to be negative. Just grounded. I’m just as excited as everyone else but a little worried we are reinventing ourselves on offense (Which is probably out of necessity...times change...football changes...unless you’re Alabama with an elite Oline every year you can just line up in power every play and Tee off on teams).

My fingers are crossed here just like everyone else’s. We do have the elite D. We have immense talent and will beat a lot of teams just by showing up. But man...we picked a helluva year, with this schedule, to roll dice on an offensive overhaul. 

 

BuckNekked

August 18th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^

I dont see it as any sort of an overhaul of the offense. More like tweaks. There were deficiencies, they saw them and tweaked the system. They have a new QB with different skills from what they had. They tweak to optimize his talents. This isnt an overhaul. 

Then again I havent seen a practice.

JonnyHintz

August 17th, 2018 at 9:01 PM ^

Eh. I’ve heard a lot of people-in-the-know saying Peters has separated himself from McCaffrey. And that even though McCaffrey would see the field first, Milton is debatably ahead of him as well. 

Basically a lot of contradictory views that put us back at square one of not knowing what the hell is going on behind Shea.

stephenrjking

August 17th, 2018 at 11:55 PM ^

I haven't seen anyone come close to suggesting that Milton is ahead of McCaffrey.

There are a couple of possibilities here: 1. Justice is wrong, perhaps has bad sourcing. 2. Others are wrong and Justice is right. 3. Others were right, but it's been almost a week since any inside info has leaked out and this is moving week and McCaffrey has leapfrogged Peters. 

Whatever. I'm not too worried about this one area. All of this insider info is usually thirdhand stuff--the person providing it to us heard it from someone who probably isn't the major decisionmaker/evaluator anyway. That doesn't make it false info, just info that's gone through a short game of "telephone" to get to us.

Micro-analysis of who is slightly ahead in a tight battle can easily fall victim to this, and one person saying "so-and-so looks really good" can turn into "so-and-so is starting" and stuff like that. 

When the news coalesces around certain players, that's when you see stuff. Two years ago multiple sources all talked up Chris Evans, for example, and he was a contributor right away. We kinda knew that Onwenu was the next man up at right guard from late in 2016. And the insiders got the drop of Brandon Peters last preseason basically correct. 

We're hearing multiple kernels about Mayfield, and we're hearing Runyan at LT. Other guys are in the mix, but my general conclusion is that we haven't had an existing tackle really step up and that Mayfield is legit. Everyone agrees Shea is the clear-cut starter. Everyone is excited about Dwumfour and the leading receivers. These are things we've heard enough chatter to all but verify. The surprise stuff? We'll have to wait on that. 

stephenrjking

August 18th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^

I strongly, strongly suspect Seth was just throwing the last two in the same bin without regard to order. Every other piece of intelligence has Milton (understandably) on the outside, learning the position, and Seth provided no other supporting evidence to suggest that Milton was ahead of anyone. 

We're all getting to speculation at this point. Milton will RS, so the focus for him will be less on stuff to prepare him for this season and more on building a foundation to succeed in the future. How much success? Impossible to know, and anyone who says that they're sure he's the guy in 2019 or 2020 (much like Peters was the guy this year, or McCaffrey next year, all things that have been said) doesn't know much of anything. 

Marvin

August 17th, 2018 at 8:08 PM ^

I am excited that this team has so much talent. But the news about the offensive line sort of throws a damper on things. It's like having a Bugoti or something but one of the cylinders is out of round. No matter what the car won't run right.

wildbackdunesman

August 17th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^

Great point.  In addition to Warinner patching up some of our problems, we were decent running the ball last year: Higdon 6.1 ypc, Evans 5.1 ypc, and Isaac 6.2 ypc.

We have some talent and size that Warinner can coach up.  Our running game will remain solid and improve, and our pass protection should not only get better, but Shea should be more nimble on his feet and we are likely to try and get the ball out quicker when passing.

We are a better team than last year.

Stringer Bell

August 17th, 2018 at 8:50 PM ^

No question.  Our OL wasn't good last year by any means, but I'm of the belief that bad QB play exacerbated that fact.  A good QB, especially a mobile one, can mitigate pass protection issues to an extent.  We know Shea has the legs, just have to hope he has the awareness to move around in the pocket or outside the pocket to help his OL out a bit.

JonnyHintz

August 17th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^

Shea didn’t have an OL at Ole Miss either and he was able to be pretty productive anyway. 

If you translate his efficiency numbers (comp %, TDs per attempt, INTs per attempt, yards per attempt) and used the 331 attempts Speight had in 2016, Shea would have posted a statline of:

211/331 (63.8%) for 2,879 yards 22 TDs (21.6) and 12 INTs (11.5).

While obviously we’d like to see those interceptions drop and there’s some debate on how his numbers will translate to a more pro-style/conservative offense than he played in, it still gives us a look at how he could produce given the volume of passes he might see at Michigan.

So he’s proven he can be fairly productive even without a capable OL and not to mention a good running game that he will have at Michigan.

Blue from Ohio

August 17th, 2018 at 10:44 PM ^

I agree and read an interesting article today.  Talking about how Warriner took Billy Price and Pat Eflein (not sure of the spelling thanks to Bud Light), who were not highly ranked recruits and turned them into good draft picks (I believe the article said Price was a defensive tackle who wasn't panning out on that side).  Whereas atleast with the Michigan line he's working with experience / alot of 4 star types who were recruited as offensive line prospecs.  Honestly, if the Defense plays even close to their potential and the O-line is even ok and Shea is Shea the last 2 years, we'll be fine.

JonnyHintz

August 18th, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^

How many defenses the caliber of Alabama and LSU do you expect him to play against? 

Not to mention his OL at Michigan is expected to be better than Ole Miss, Shea is further along as a QB, he actually has a running game to lean on, and he also has an elite defense to back him up.

Plus any analysis of the Ole Miss offense shows it was basically make the first read and then pray. Which isn’t going to work against your top defenses. Simply being in a Michigan offense that has multiple progressions and options is going to fix some of those issues. 

Prince_of_Nachos

August 17th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^

Yeah, this article is just complete crap. 

All the other insider reports have Peters as #2, Chuck Filiaga has been practicing exclusively at guard (not tackle as claimed in the article), and Ronnie Bell is not going to be the primary backup to DPJ and Tarik.

Brandon Justice is a weird guy who wants to think he's an insider, but doesn't know jack. Whatever "sources" he's referring to are probably imaginary.