Points allowed through 11 games

Submitted by artds on November 20th, 2011 at 12:00 PM

Points allowed through first 11 games during the last 10 years...


Year     P/A    Per Game    Record    Coach

2011     172        15.6             9-2         Hoke


2010     369        33.5             7-4         Rodriguez

2009     309        28.1             5-6         Rodriguez

2008     305        27.7             3-8         Rodriguez


2007     229        20.8             8-3         Carr

2006     133        12.1           11-0         Carr

2005     212        19.3             7-4         Carr

2004     241        21.9             9-2         Carr

2003     170        15.4             9-2         Carr

2002     221        20.1             9-2         Carr

2001     192        17.5             8-3         Carr



November 20th, 2011 at 12:06 PM ^

It's good to see we are starting to get back to our roots on defense.  Looking at this though makes me reminisce about how good our defense was in 2006... and it feels good. 


November 20th, 2011 at 12:06 PM ^

...that the Michigan Defense is back. And its gonna get even better with the 2012 and 2013 hauls coming in.

Sparty has had their chance to shine. It's payback time soon.

coastal blue

November 20th, 2011 at 4:53 PM ^

The best part is that Sparty's time in the spotlight is going to abruptly fade in the next couple of weeks.

After we bludgeon the Buckeyes over the Holiday, MSU is going to get beat by Wisconsin in the Big Ten title game and end up in the Capitol One bowl, while we jump them for a BCS bid. Let the bitter whining commence. So even with back to back 10 win seasons, they will have ended up outside the BCS bowls. 

And then next year, normal service is going to resume in Ann Arbor.


November 20th, 2011 at 12:06 PM ^

Bonus National Stats:

Rushing Offense: 236.1ypg, 12th nationally
Total Offense: 434.5ypg, 34th nationally
Scoring Offense: 33.6ppg, 26th nationally

Total Defense: 316ypg, 14th nationally
Scoring Defense: 16.2ppg, 8th nationally


November 20th, 2011 at 12:19 PM ^

Looking at UM's record through 11 games from 2001-2007 makes me really appreciate what this team has accomplished in 1 season.

Simply amazing.

9-2. We're back!


November 20th, 2011 at 12:31 PM ^

I honestly think we could beat any team but the absolute top of the line squads this year. If we get paired up against an ACC or Big East team in the BCS it could be a slaughter.


November 20th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^

Don't count your chickens quite yet guys.  As awesome as this year's defense appears to be if Ohio State scores 234 points against us next Saturday we won't have improved at all.

And even if we shut out OSU what if the team we play in the bowl game scores 286 points?  Then we all look pretty foolish thinking things have gotten better around here.


November 20th, 2011 at 12:41 PM ^

here is how I compare this year to 2006, good talent with elite coaching.  2006 elite talent good coaching.  

now imagin when we get 3 to 4 years of good recruiting classes, I think we will have defence to compare to 97

Mr. Rager

November 20th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^

Pretty crazy to think we've gone from the WORST Michigan defense of all time (not just the last ten years) to the 2nd or 3rd best defense we've had in 10 years within just one season.


November 20th, 2011 at 1:00 PM ^

Don't have enough points to create a post. Michigan #17, Sparty #11, USC #9?


Here's the full AP Poll top 25 for Week 13:






2 Alabama


3 Arkansas


4 Stanford


5 Oklahoma State


6 Virginia Tech


7 Boise State


8 Houston


9 Oregon


10 USC


11 Michigan State


12 Oklahoma


13 Georgia


14 South Carolina


15 Wisconsin


16 Kansas State


17 Michigan


18 Clemson


19 TCU


20 Penn State


21 Baylor


22 Nebraska


23 Notre Dame


24 Virginia


25 Georgia Tech



November 20th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^

If you follow the trend, Rich Rod. would have also had UM at 9-2. It also shows his defence would be giving up over 45 pts/game.

The second part seemed doable at least.


November 20th, 2011 at 1:44 PM ^

It is very impressive, but we have to control for the number of possessions created by the tempo of our offense.

For example, Michigan was ridiculously efficient at scoring last year. The drives were relatively brief, and this gave opponents the ball pretty quickly.

But I still feel very strongly that the defense is improved. For example, please see: Floyd, J.T. Also: 3rd down stops!


November 20th, 2011 at 2:48 PM ^

jmblue wrote about 'efficiency.' I think he makes the same error that I'm trying to point out in the original post.

My point is that there isn't a meaningful comparison given the metrics used. However, based on what I'm seeing in invidual play and with Brian's RPS numbers, it does look like we're improving. Jeepers.


November 20th, 2011 at 5:22 PM ^

You seem to be trying to have it both ways. First you want to adjust for the increased number of defensive possessions caused by our tempo last year; then you want to adjust in the opposite direction on offense.

But if there were more defensive possessions last year, surely there were more offensive possessions as well. Teams take turns having the ball, after all.


November 20th, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^

Here's my reasoning. I sincerely apologize if I've been unclear above.

1) Offense moves fast-->defense gets more opportunities for points scored on it (thus gives up more points)

2) Offense doesn't move as fast -->defense gets fewer opportunities for  points scored on it (thus gives up fewer points)

I want to normalize, look at points per possession instead of raw number of points. That's because defense in 1/2 can be the same, but the defense in 1 looks worse because more points are scored on it.

Am I messing this up?


November 20th, 2011 at 11:48 PM ^

That's how I understood what you were saying. But it works both ways:

1) Offense moves fast-->offense gets more opportunities (thus scores more points)

2) Offense doesn't move as fast -->offense gets fewer opportunities (thus scores fewer points)

If you're right and the rapid pace means the defense didn't improve quite as much as the PPG comparison implies, then the rapid pace also means the offense improved even more than the PPG comparison implies (which is the opposite of what you implied above).

[Ed.: Or, rather, what I thought you'd implied above but now that I re-read the thread maybe you didn't. Anyway, it certainly flies in the face of common opinion on the relative efficiencies of last year's offense vs. this year's.]


November 20th, 2011 at 3:47 PM ^

Maybe mods could take a look at this, please? I don't think my above posts' substance or form is worthy of flame or trolling labels. The point I'm making may be wrong (still not demonstrated so), but I'm definitely not posting anything intended to start a spat.


OMG Shirtless

November 20th, 2011 at 4:06 PM ^

As soon as you start showing people that you'll cry about it, it will happen more and more.  You could post a picture of Denard holding up the Orange Bowl trophy and you'll get negged.

Come on, you've been around long enough to know this.