Pep Hamilton weighing offer to Join UM

"everyone around the country makes fun of us, and all of us hate it." Try living in Detroit. Or Flint.

The Browns were good in the late 80s due to talent they got when the USFL folded and Bernie Kosar choosing to play there (with a way around the normal draft).  No sure whether that was luck or great strategy.  But, from the early 70's to when they got good in the later 80's, the team was pretty mediocre.  Something around a combined 0.500 record from 1970 - 1985 inclusive.

Yeah, but Cleveland is in Ohio and Detroit is not. Advantage Detroit.

Won three NBA championships to one, add in Stanley Cup championships, and two World Series wins besides the loses.  At least our football team has made the playoffs so no not the same city.

I'm not one to criticize Cleveland one way or another, and I acknowledge your general point that Cleveland and Detroit have a lot in common, sometimes more than Detroiters would admit, but I don't understand how you are using sports as an example of this equivalence.  

"Cleveland and Detroit have both won an NBA championship and lost a World Series" covers over the fact that Detroit has won multiple NBA titles (3), not just one, has won twice as many Word Series championships, roughly twice as many AL pennants, and, while I would hardly argue that the Lions are better than the Browns, both have zero Super Bowl championships and four NFL championships from immediately prior to the Super Bowl Era.  And then the Red Wings have won 11 Stanley Cups and are historically an elite hockey team.  So, that's 18 championships that people care about to three.  Again, I'm not trying to make fun of Cleveland, and I would love for the Lions and Browns to have success, but I don't see the equivalence.

an Original Six NHL franchise with a long history of Stanley Cup Championships.

Detroit's an iconic American city - the symbol of the U.S. auto industry.  For better or worse, it's always been in the national consciousness.  When its fortunes declined it became the symbol for urban decay.  Coming from Detroit gave Eminem street cred.  

Cleveland OTOH is just sort of . . . there.  It doesn't seem to have a national identity other than being "kinda like Detroit." 

Also, you guys don't have hockey.

 

Nowhere in his comment did I see him say that the city of Cleveland sucked or compare it to Detroit. All he did was make a joke about working for the Browns. Which, given their recent performance seems fair (and like it or not is how the Browns are viewed across the NFL right now). You yourself said that management tanked the season... seems like a pretty good reason not to want to be employed there. Not every comment is an attack on the whole city.

As a former Lions fan, I take exception to Browns fans comparing their team to the Lions. No team, in any sport, is as bad as the Lions, not even the Browns. The Browns are basically an expansion team, so they don't have as lengthy a track record of ineptitude as the Lions. Even the old Browns (pre-relocation to Baltimore) had more than one playoff win in fifty years. The Lions have the most incompetent, worthless, and inept front office in all of sports. The prime example of people being in charge of things for no reason.

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You're not. Don't worry.

If you can stand on 2 feet most of the time then i feel safe saying you would do no worse tham Erving

And if he's caught on tape saying racist shit to his mistress he still comes out on top financially! The only thing you can do is not go to games or buy team merch and hope you have a cash poor owner who may be inclined to sell because, say, he got caught in a sting on a major rebate scam.