Penn State Punishment Open Thread (part 2)
To view (part one) click here: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/penn-state-punishment-open-thread
I decided to continue the original thread because it is over 300 replies. Also the B1G is holding a press conference to release their sanctions and penalties at 11am.
Everything from the original thread is in regards to the NCAA press conference at 9am.
So far here is what we know:
$60 million sanction - will be paid out $12/year over 5 years.
- Money cannot be taken from academics or other sports. (Meaning most likely it's going to have to be privately funded).
- Money goes to child abuse victims, prevention, awareness, etc.
Vacation of wins from 1998-2011 (112 wins)*
- Joe Paterno record now 298-136-3; fifth on FBS all-time list
- Mike McQueary is now the last PSU QB with a winning record
Four-year postseason ban
Reduce 10 initial scholarships and 20 scholarships each year for a 4-year period
Players may transfer and play immediately at other schools
Athletic department on probation for five years
No "Death Penalty"
Also, Penn St. has had one recruit (Ross Douglas) decommit.
Here is the Mod's (from part 1) note to all:
I'm not trying to censor anyone. Instead, this is an open place to discuss your thoughts. Keep it clean. I'll review the thread later and be very unkind to posters who decide to be jerks.
Why? So we can take time to go to the 5th page? This thread should stay.
Change your "comments per page" setting and you won't have to go to the fifth page.
It really doesn't make it any easier.
My comment wasn't related to starting a new thread; I just wanted to let him know there don't need to be five pages for him to flip though.
If the B1G drops the hammer, I'd like this one to stay. One thread for the NCAA event and one for the B1G event.
Just continued. The other one has gotten too big...we do the same thing with every other thread that is 300 posts+
Also, the stuff on the B1G is coming out now.
I hope not honestly, once an open thread breaks 250-300 posts it becomes hard to sift through. And it's twice as annoying in a situation like this when new important information keeps coming out.
PSU will be down for ten years.
at least! they may never return
really? i doubt that.
Agree; think it is more like 12-15. They might get back some elite recruits from PA sooner. But nationwide kids have to be toddlers now to even have possibility to not be affected by this dark cloud over institution and you know parents are going to be uneasy. This wasn’t a payoff or illegal athlete advantage. This was the leaders of an institution sheltering and facilitating a sick individual.
This is just an expensive slap on the wrist. PSU should be expelled, no if's, and's, or but's about it. I don't care if there is no replacement or if it means we get rid of divisions. PSU is unworthy of the Big Ten name and brand. Send 'em off to die in the MAC, the Big East, or the FCS.
wow...
The hit from the Big Ten is a nice little added sting.
Not enough. If they took the TV money on top of the bowl money, I think that would be sufficient. Though I still think looking at expulsion down the line is a good idea. Doing it now, right before the season starts, would be disastrous.
From a recruiting standpoint, the main beneficiaries will be Ohio State, ND and Michigan I bet. Ohio State will be top recruiter in Pennsylvania, and that will also open more spots for Ohio and Pennsylvania kids for UM and ND. MSU should benefit as well.
It probably won't hurt the Big East either.
Yeah, Pitt is just trying to gear its program back up and was just handed Western PA on a platter for recruiting. I'd imagine the ACC will move into NY, NJ, and Maryland to take over PSU territory as well.
This is HUGE present dropped in WVU, Pitt and Syracuse laps. All trying to strengthen themselves for entry into new conferences now have their main competition for state of PA all but eliminated for years. Bolden is definitely gone. (Rob, of course, not Joe. /s) AZ has already been in contact with him.
The northern part of the ACC (north of NC, really) already recruits NY, NJ, PA, MD, etc. That's the happy hunting ground for UVA, VT, Md, and BC. Really, UVA has as many head-to-head battles with PSU as with any other school, even VT, so PSU disappearing outside the state of PA (which is what I think will happen) is a huge benefit.
From the BTN website:
Here are the conference’s additional sanctions on Penn State:
- Censure: The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels—morally, ethically and potentially criminally. They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state—and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.
- Probation: The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.
- Ineligibility: As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State’s football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games. It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.
- Fine: Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years. That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.
I complained about the removal of secondary PSU threads in the other open thread, but I don't think this is the solution either. The are a number of interesting/important angles of this - player transfers (or recruits' commitment switches), Big Ten division balance, the fairness of the penalties, breaking news, etc. - and those conversations should be teased apart from one another. Otherwise, it's an unreadable mess. This thread just prevents you from having to click "last page" in the other thread.
Not to mention its damn near impossible to figure out who's replying to who on those giant comment threads. A comment structure like reddit would be an awesome addition.
The solution in that case is to blockquote the text you're replying to. You can do that by going to the plain text editor (see the link below the message box) and typing <blockquote> before the quoted text and </blockquote> after.
While I enjoy the Herd usually, I was just listening to him on the way to work about an hour ago, and he was claiming that the rest of the Big Ten fans were taking joy in this punishment this morning when we shouldn't. Just shut it, Colin. Nobody is taking joy in PSU getting hammered by the NCAA (okay, not nobody but barely anyone that I see). No Big Ten fans have ever had an unhealthy hate for PSU like OSU fans do with Michigan.
Cowherd's an idiot. It's perfectly fine to be satisfied when someone who deserves punishment is punished. No one is celebrating the molestation of young boys; anyone who is celebrating is celebrating the extension of some kind of justice, however imperfect/incomplete/excessive/whatever it is.
Yes, I was going to neg him just for that, but then he did make an astute point; so he saved. Can’t see how anyone enjoys that blowhard. Radio/TV goes off with valenti, herd, and bayless.
So who wins/loses the 2010 game between PSU and OSU?
What game?
ceases to exist. It never happened. The attendees will forever have a blank spot in their memories where that day used to reside.
Wasn't that game sponsored by the creators of "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Miind?"
Looks like players will be allowed to transfer within the conference.
No realignment.
IMHO maybe just take the two best teams this year for the B1G champ game this year since the east is down two.
It's also in the best interest of the B1G. For compeitive balance sake, what if OSU and PSU finish 1-2? You've now got the #3 team playing from that division?
Is this standard practice, did Ohio State get their share last season?
Ohio did not have bowl money taken away last year or this year. This is a special PSU punishment.
Ohio is gona poach a few players Im sure and will be in a 2 horse race for a long time to come in their division. They certainly are going to make out pretty well
The 60 million fine is over a 5 year period. So yes they will still have hockey.
From the NCAA sanctions:
"No current sponsored athletic team may be reduced or eliminated in order to fund this fine."
http://s3.amazonaws.com/ncaa/files/20120723/21207236PDF.pdf (page 5)
Who's going to be paying that $60M fine? If the AD isn't going to pay for it by trimming up other sports and they certainly aren't going to save $60M on 10 scholarships a year then where is the rest coming from? The obvious answer it going to be the students either through increased ticket costs or possibly even an "athletic fee" imposed on tuition.