Peach Bowl Snowflakes: The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on December 30th, 2018 at 1:00 PM

Here is the thread for snowflakes and hot takes regarding the overall coaching against Florida in the Peach Bowl.

Comments

Ham

December 29th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^

The program is an absolute joke. Since 2004, the team has lost the last two games of the year 9 times. During these 15 years, the team has beaten OSU once and has missed going to a bowl game as often as they've won them (3 times). Harbaugh is 1-9 against top-10 teams. Two unbelievably embarrassing blowouts on national tv to end the year. Can't even beat Florida anymore. 

The offense is absolutely anemic despite having the athletes needed to have a great one. Running speed guys up the middle, miserable blocking, not getting the ball to Collins, Black, and DPJ, tight ends can't block or catch, no tempo (even when they're down by multiple possessions!), awful time management, Shea hitting his (surprisingly low) ceiling, etc. Don Brown/the defense are straight-up trash when Michigan plays anyone with a pulse. Can't cover, can't get pressure, can't tackle. 

What a miserable year/decade and a half.

BeatIt

December 29th, 2018 at 8:30 PM ^

My best account is a michigan legacy family. Great people. The owners father was friends with Bo and supposedly  part of the elite donors, the old right guard if you may. Lloyd was a respected member of the old guard.RR was the #1 rising young HC at the time. Accomplishing that @ WVU, crushing georgia in a bowl game to top it off. As i remember my clients version is RR claimed Terrel Pryor was a silent verbal to him & WVU but would follow him to ann arbor, done deal. The home run hire of the time. He delivered with DRob can't take that away from him. I think RR would have had a great year in 2011 with DRob was a once a decade guy, just phemominal how he dominated games. Hoke's first year would have looked much different without DRob, lightning in a bottle.

BeatIt

December 30th, 2018 at 6:33 AM ^

My best account is a michigan legacy family. Great people. The owners father was friends with Bo and supposedly  part of the elite donors, the old right guard if you may. Lloyd was a respected member of the old guard.RR was the #1 rising young HC at the time. Accomplishing that @ WVU, crushing georgia in a bowl game to top it off. As i remember my clients version is RR claimed Terrel Pryor was a silent verbal to him & WVU but would follow him to ann arbor, done deal. The home run hire of the time. He delivered with DRob can't take that away from him. I think RR would have had a great year in 2011 with DRob was a once a decade guy, just phemominal how he dominated games. Hoke's first year would have looked much different without DRob, lightning in a bottle.

MindlessChaos

December 29th, 2018 at 4:49 PM ^

Yeah Carr left the cupboard bare. People wrongly blamed RR too much for specifically that aspect. (Everything else RR was blamed for seemed warranted) 

Inversely people seemed to say Hoke left the cupboards bare when he didn't, and all the continuing success was all on Jim. The reality is the staff got an upgrade in assistants quality, especially on defense and continued executing and developing on defense. Love it or hate it the offense is on Jim and he had a blank canvas there. The fact that there is so much reliance on the defense this far into Jim's tenure is not a good sign, but it can be turned around at basically any time. 

Robbie Moore

December 29th, 2018 at 10:49 PM ^

I've always thought if RR hired a top tier DC and gave him the keys to the defense he might still be here. Aside from the first year the offense was good. He would still be at Arizona if he didn't meddle in the defense. That and not sticking his penis in the payroll.

Then again, RR has a problem recruiting so maybe I'm full of shit.

MIGHTYMOJO91

December 30th, 2018 at 5:46 AM ^

^^^This exactly. How in the hell does Carr get mentioned here. WTF is wrong with people? Harbaugh  is not the savior of UM football and people are bitching about L.Carr. If UM football is to this day trying to recover from events from the Carr era then maybe it is best to find another team to root for. Very pathetic!!!!!

The Pharaoh of Filth

December 30th, 2018 at 10:59 AM ^

Also--was htere this so-called infighting once Brady Hoax was hired? That seemed to be one that brought everyone back together under one big Maize and Blue quilt. Hoax even christened it with an 11-2 record and a Sugar Bowl win. AND the last coach to beat Ohio State. I know it fell apart, but blaming Lloyd Carr NOW is really, really STUPID.

Harbaugh came in with much bravado and swagger. He has engaged other coaches in Twitter battles. He has made national headlines with his antics, and the players have been taken overseas. Harbaugh seems to have been trying to attract all the attention and now that he's got it--his apologists all still want to whine and complain about Rodriguez, Hoax, Bagmen, the weather, and everything else they can.

Michigan has been nothing but what all the others have thought they were and have been for 70 years (save 1997): Nothing to fear, over rated, mediocre, and the home of a delusional, whiny fan base that wants to blame everything but the root cause: Michigan.

Eng1980

December 29th, 2018 at 3:51 PM ^

Um, athletes?  Bush and Gary aren't even on the team anymore.  Winovich is a dude but he is injured.  Is anyone elsee considered an "athlete".  O-line mixed.  We weren't even close to having an advantage in the trenches.  No stud running back to make use of the middle of the line and Florida was coached to expect it.  So . . . you want to blame this on coaching? 

Maybe play calling could have been better.  I would love to see Harbaugh engineer a comeback (Northwestern?) in the fourth quarter some day and maybe in a big game.  Mullen is good.  Michigan was relatively healthy when Wisconsin, MSU, and PSU were not and then  Michigan was unhealthy with OSU and Florida were recovering.    Why was Shea Patterson just standing there as the play clock expired?  I wish Harbaugh would  speed up play.

Ham

December 29th, 2018 at 3:59 PM ^

No stud running back to make use of the middle of the line and Florida was coached to expect it.  So . . . you want to blame this on coaching?

Yea, I want to blame coaching when they don't have a RB to run up the middle and the other team is coaching against it, yet the offense keeps running that play over and over again as if they were going to get a different result *this* time.

wolverine1492

December 29th, 2018 at 6:41 PM ^

Great coaches get the most out of the players they have.  The players overachieve relative to their talent and the teams get upset wins against opponents with superior athletes.

Harbaugh stubbornly runs his antique offence, and when playing against similar talent his teams choke in tight games or get blown out. 

TD Billy Taylor

December 29th, 2018 at 9:19 PM ^

Agree with your second point.

Incredibly demoralizing that we've never seen this team have much fight under Harbaugh. Once you get up two scores on them, it's like they automatically flip-on an off switch and just give-up.

When it comes to adversity, good teams crumble. Great teams persevere. We need to be a great team, and I think it, somewhat, starts with Harbaugh himself. We need his sideline fire back. I want to hear Day or D'Antonio have a "what's your deal" exchange with him after a game. Not this stoic, meaningless press conferences, Woody Johnson-glasses shit, I'm sorry to say.

TIMMMAAY

December 30th, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^

The team having zero semblance of a "hurry up", or two minute offense has been the most consistently disappointing thing in my mind. I mean, you have been in football your entire life, how do you not have a two minute, or even four minute offense that actually functions? It's mystifying to me. That, combined with the unrelenting stubbornness of Harbaugh, are super frustrating. We could be so much more. 

Now, I recognize your point about being severely diminished for this game, and I mostly agree with it. That makes me super bitter toward the guys who chose to sit. Bush I guess I can understand, maybe, but we don't really know his situation either. Just what has been reported. 

I Like Burgers

December 29th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^

The offensive issues aren't all on Pep.  Its Harbaugh's offense and always has been.  But....I also can't tell exactly what Pep brings to the table, and he certainly isn't worth being the highest paid OC in the country.  So there doesn't seem to be any good reason to keep him around.

That said, I'm also not so sure Harbaugh wants a new OC with differing opinions from his own.

cbs650

December 29th, 2018 at 9:34 PM ^

Pep isnt the OC. What part of this don't you guys understand. Michigan doesn't have an OC. Peps title is Assistant Head Coach/QB coach and Pass Game Coordinator. But just because he coordinates the pass game doesn't mean he calls the plays. Jim has repeatedly stated he has final say on play calls. 

But you are right, Jim doesn't want someone who will have a differing opinion which is why we are in this situation. 

anewell04

December 29th, 2018 at 5:07 PM ^

You know what losers do? They play the blame game and make excuses over and over until it’s nauseating. 

Continuously losing to rivals and top talent teams isn’t a Lloyd Carr problem. It’s a Jim Harbaugh problem. He’s getting outschemed by every coach that’s remotely decent. That’s a fact you can’t argue 

jbohl

December 30th, 2018 at 7:37 AM ^

why an absolute joke?  M is not a joke it is what it is.  it is only ridiculous expectations vis a vis reality that color the perception of M as a joke.  Consider:

M is what it is;  a top 20 football program without a good recruiting base.  a program with a solid, but not innovative or inspiring coach.  a program that is top 20 because it has great resources and some cache, but not enough of the other elements necessary to consistently be top 10 (at the end of the year) and almost never top 5. 

Again, M is what it is.  i think a lot of M's expectations go back to Bo. i've been around for 60 years.  Bo wasn't the Bo of M legend. and consequently M isn't the historical program that some suggest.  Bo was an almost great coach and a very inspirational man.  Bo was a winner, but Bo wasn't Bud Wilkinson, Bear Bryant, John McKay, Urban Meyers or Nick Saban.  And M isn't Bama or USC or OSU.  Very good, but not elite in football.  No joke.