drzoidburg

April 19th, 2017 at 5:20 PM ^

Yeah but they should have really have better access to forensic evidence now than centuries ago. If i'm on jury and there isn't such evidence, just an "eyewitness" (which are horribly unreliable to begin with) with a grudge, there's no way i'd convict

The absess of such evidence raises suspicion in itself

Pepto Bismol

April 19th, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^

I agree with you and I don't want to dive into the deep end of that trial, but I followed Dan Wetzel's coverage and I know the gist.

Alexander Bradley says he was driving and Hernandez shot the victims.  The defense said, no, Bradley's the one who shot them.

Doesn't that make them both the murderer and an accessory regardless of who pulled trigger?  Can't you just give Hernandez a default accessory conviction and shoot for the murder from there? 

They never argued he was in the car with Bradley when those guys were murdered.  They found the car stashed in a Hernandez residence.  Oh, and not to mention Hernandez shot Alexander Bradley in the fucking face after the fact because he was afraid he was talking too much. 

How the hell does a court let that guy walk away from this incident scot free?

 

(And these are all rhetorical.  I don't need MGoLawyers to tell me about the procedure.  I don't really care.  I just laugh at our system sometimes.)

xtramelanin

April 19th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^

that is simply an agreement to commit a crime between two or more people, and an act in furtherance.   also, the act in furtherance does not have to be the ultimate act, such as shooting someone.

simple example:  assume it is illegal to possess pizza, but you and i would like some.  you ask me for the phone book because we want to order some, and i hand the book to you.  you don't even have to call the pizza place as we would technically have committed the crime of 'conspiracy to possess pizza'.  of course in real life it'll take more than that, but that is the law in an antiseptic form.  lastly, the penalty for the conspiracy is usually the same as if the underlyiing crime had been committed. 

bottom line is that the jury must have had different evidence, or much weaker evidence than what many here think existed. 

 

schreibee

April 19th, 2017 at 11:14 AM ^

To all the incredulous posters who replied, I merely said the jury didn't get it wrong *in this case*. To me that means absolutely the prosecution did. No list of unjust verdicts through the history of American jurisprudence would have made a conviction in this case, on this evidence, a correct one. I had tried to edit my comment to include the Bradley back story, to clarify the post I originally replied to saying Hernandez "killed the one person who knew" about the drive-by double murders. The site wouldn't let me add that tidbit. I do believe that Bradley got immunity to testify against Hernandez, therefore they couldn't try them both as conspirators. That's why they had to go forward with the testimony of someone who admitted he held a death grudge against the defendant, and has himself been convicted of gun violence. You can point to a thousand terrible, unjust verdicts, and a million unreliable accusers, but a conviction in this case would never have stood. I guess the point is those other poor saps probably didn't have millions of dollars or ESPN reporting every detail of their cases.

mGrowOld

April 19th, 2017 at 11:33 AM ^

I knew immediately what you meant regarding the jury not "getting it wrong" and agree with you.  Terrible prosecution that was dead in the water once their star witness's text messages were read to the jury.  I was simply trying to head off the "but he was aquitted in the double homicide" responses.

All good.

taistreetsmyhero

April 19th, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^

Don't have anything to say about Hernandez, but I did watch Louis CK's dark new special on Netflix last night and he talked about suicide and how, if you don't believe in any after life, it's the perfect escape plan. Said he couldn't understand how some people hadn't done it already.

Danwillhor

April 19th, 2017 at 5:06 PM ^

it's a much more common act than people think. Suicide has been an honor duty in almost every major culture, on top of peoplw doing it for reasons of escape. I also hate when people call it "cowardly". Like, really? Bringing upon the thing every human fears most is cowardly? A kamikaze pilot is a coward? That dude that jumped from the burning tower is a coward? Etc. Society has a really skewed view of suicide, IMO. The act sucks! I don't like to hear about people doing it in a dumb revenge act or similar but it's not cowardly. It's rarely brave but it's just as rarely a cowardly act.

Unicycle Firefly

April 19th, 2017 at 10:00 AM ^

I admit I have to plead ignorance on this, but I would think modern maximum security prison cells would be relatively suicide-proof, especially with regards to things you could hang yourself from.

war-dawg69

April 19th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^

I doubt he was in a suicide cell. I have no idea why he was in a one man cell unless he was a management problem. All you need is a t-shirt and the end of the bed to tie it to. You cut off the flow of blood to brain and when you slump down that is when you choke yourself to death. In reality you die in your sleep. I am all but positive that is what he did.

war-dawg69

April 19th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^

This man was flat out evil. He had zero conscience. No empathy and no sympathy for anyone. As a CO of some twenty years and working security at the clubs in and around Detroit I have seen my share of violence. I have always looked at inmates with gang mentality as the biggest cowards aside from the tree jumpers. Hernandez even had to call his boys to come help him kill one guy. It was his insecurities that made him violent and so goes the gang mentality. It is understandble that good people try to understand evil, but make no mistake you never will.

LSAClassOf2000

April 19th, 2017 at 10:15 AM ^

Aaron Hernandez is in no way, shape or form a sympathetic figure and rightly so, but as someone said above, I am also not going to celebrate anyone's suicide. It's a sad ending to what seemed like an unfortunately wasted life and wasted talent, and perhaps we'll never really know if that was Hernandez being clinically sociopathic or simply being unable to overcome problems which began in his youth or if it is a dynamic combination of these. 

Sopwith

April 19th, 2017 at 10:35 AM ^

is that by all accounts, he grew up solidly middle-class in a good two-parent household with no gang activity whatsoever, just a normal suburban upbringing. He fell in love with the gangsta lifestyle only as an adult. When does that ever happen except in Breaking Bad?

Wendyk5

April 19th, 2017 at 1:14 PM ^

We know a kid who's 17, and he pretty much blew a potential D1 scholarship because he got in with the wrong crowd as a freshman and ended up in rehab because he was taking pills. He was one of the most natural athletes I've ever seen. He nearly broke a state record in track, played basketball and football. Now a junior, he just can't get his shit together. His most recent escapade was he got stopped while driving without a license. Took the car out after his mom went to bed and was cruising around with other kids in the car. He doesn't even have a permit because his parents were smart enough not to let him get one. He has maybe a 1.7 GPA. I could have told you this kid would end up this way when he was 6. He bucked authority back then and was a big risk taker. The only negative about his parents is they're divorced. But so were mine. Some people just have a propensity for high stakes trouble.  

schreibee

April 19th, 2017 at 11:26 AM ^

If you're actually interested you'll have to Google it, but I'm pretty sure your impression of his upbringing isn't accurate. I recall reading his father, or perhaps other relatives, had known criminal ties. I believe there may have been some dealing and loan sharking, but I'm not 100 on this. It wasn't the Brady Bunch, or even the Gronkowskis, I'm pretty sure of that.

Zoltanrules

April 19th, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^

It's not just ESPN though. And sadly there are many,many  more really mentally unstable people running around society. They just don't happen to be talented athletes. Maybe the only good out of this is to have more discussions on how we as society deal with these people with obvious mental illnesses.

bronxblue

April 19th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

I don't want to be this callous, but this guy killed two people because they spilled a drink on him.  I'm not going to shed a tear for him no longer being around.

schreibee

April 19th, 2017 at 11:39 AM ^

*Allegedly* They were unable to convict him of that crime, so you're going on the testimony of another scumbag. In fact the entire "drink spilling" narrative is courtesy of a person serving time for firing a weapon in a nightclub. A person who testified he was shot in the face by the defendant and lost an eye. And then admitted on cross he doesn't even remember the night he was shot, but had sworn to kill the defendant nonetheless. Listen, got no love of Aaron Hernandez here - but I pray I never find myself on trial for murder based on that guy's word. Y'know?!

TheCool

April 19th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

I can't help but think about how many men had the opportunity as coaches/mentors to reach Hernandez while he was young, but instead took advantage of his athletic ability like Urban Meyer while allowing him to get away with breaking rules. Aaron Hernandez is responsible for his actions (which I have to state because some clowns will take this as excusing him). As a coach, it's frustrating that so many "coaches" ignore their responsibility to be mentors and role models.

drjaws

April 19th, 2017 at 10:55 AM ^

I find it odd some on here seem to though. 

 

I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.  I do have sympathy for his family and the families whose lives he's ruined. 

 

The end.

rockediny

April 19th, 2017 at 11:41 AM ^

Ok, this guy really needs to stop killing people.

 

 

 

I'm either committing internet suicide or killing the game with this comment, either way I slay myself.