OT: World Cup Day 2 Open Thread

Submitted by Wolverine In Iowa on

Mexico v. Cameroon 11:00am CDT

Spain v. Netherlands 2:00pm CDT

Chile v. Australia 5:00pm CDT

bacon1431

June 13th, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^

I don't know, I thought I saw a headline from Blatter (who at one point was 100% staunchly against technology being involved in the game at all) said they're considering coach's challenges in the future. The rules have changed before, it might take a while, but I expect they will do what makes sense in the future for the betterment of the sport.

Zoltanrules

June 13th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

Time for limited instant replay or having two CRs in these games (like hockey). Two poor calls by the AR and two missed fouls in the box (PKs).

I ref soccer and I cringe at criticism of refs in any sport but this is getting crazy.

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 13th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^

Never officiated soccer, but I have football and basketball, so I understand that refs are human and mistakes are made.  But I just don't get how soccer expects so few refs for such a large field and spread out game that changes directions so quickly, to officiate well.  Terrible position to be put in for such critical calls.

Zoltanrules

June 13th, 2014 at 2:39 PM ^

Like all other sports the athletes are faster, the equipment is better (used to be played with a leather ball that would weigh a ton in the rain) and better TV  resolution and replay magnify the errors.

I could definitely see a two center ref system being the best solution. ARs are usually in good postion fo offsides at this level. I know they have head sets but would like to see the AR and CR seriously talking to each other after a call like the second disallowed goal. CR, in his position, should have been able to see that the Cameroon player headed the corner kick first.

When I ref I try to get the call right, not get it fast.

Another wish would be for refs to have the balls to yellow card divers. Some are starting to do this but they are few and far between. These pro players are extremely good at selling phantom fouls.

FIFA finally approved goal line technology. Maybe some other enhancements for 2018?

Mr. Yost

June 13th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

Where's Mark Jackson? HAND DOWN! MAAAN DOWN!!!

You got the card man...why do we need 3 barrel rolls 20 ft away from the play to prove that there was contact?

Then you're going to get up and run around like nothing happened.

bacon1431

June 13th, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^

Yeah, the theatrics of diving irritate me more than the dive itself. Dives make logical sense based on the potential reward for diving. But the writhing is hilarious.

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 13th, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^

Both get pretty animated for both sides in their matches.  Palomo does his 'gooooaaaallll' thing for any goal for both sides as well.  I don't follow the rivals/friends of Central/South American international soccer, but I don't think an El Salvadorian and a Venezualian really care a whole lot about the Mexican soccer team.

Mr. Yost

June 13th, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^

Is a big thing that holds the progression of the sport growing in America more than it does.

It's going to grow and it'll be huge, for other reasons.

But it would be accepted and grow faster if the flopping wasn't so frequent and so AWFUL.

...and yes, your counterpoint is going to be the NBA and LeBron and Wade and everyone else flopping all over the place.

Valid. But there's a difference between trying to draw a foul and acting as if someone cut off your leg. 

If guys just went down and slowly got up, it would't be a huge deal. But you'd think they were SHOT.

 

Mr. Yost

June 13th, 2014 at 3:13 PM ^

It's completely different because while the intent is to draw a foul...in soccer, they act go CRAZY. Even after a card is given (or clearly not given) they're still rolling around or just being silly.

The logic is like "well if I roll 4 more times, he's going to stop play at the other end of the field and retroactive call a foul."

You can't really stop flopping in any sport with contact. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Americans who only watch the sport during the World Cup or international play generally can't stand or understand all of the rolling around and theatrics.

Guys in the NBA flop all the time, but generally the don't leave their team playing 4 on 5 while they roll around in pain.

And then here's the kicker, this, generally speaking is the icing for the American viewer.

Then the ball comes back towards the player on the ground and he pops up and takes of running full speed trying to make a play.

You can't take someone seriously when that happens.

Hulk flopping yesterday to draw what turned out to be a horrible call (and card), that's what flopping "should be." It's awful, we all hate it, but every contact sport has it. Refs just have to do a better job and not reward it.

But when you see these guys who are jumping in the air when they haven't been touched or rolling around like a child...then they're fine 45 seconds later, you just shake your head and reaffirm your alliegence to American sports - ignorance or not.

B-Nut-GoBlue

June 13th, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^

That's a bit of an obtuse way of summarizing what he took the time to try and explain.  I'm not sure his overall view on futbol but what he wrote is a big issue with the sport.  It doesn't make it a black and white issue, there are other issues people don't like the sport but it is pretty silly what goes on, and silly doesn't cut it for Americans.

Needs

June 13th, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Given how good Croatia looked yesterday, Cameroon really has to start pushing guys forward to try to at least get a draw. 

snarling wolverine

June 13th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

I'm not a big fan of having non-native speakers call games in English.  This announcer may be awesome calling games in his native Spanish, but hearing him struggle to pronounce English words is just grating.