OT - Two Florida Police Officers Killed

Submitted by Blazefire on June 29th, 2010 at 12:22 PM

Nothing to do with Michigan or football at all, but still a tremendous tragedy.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/florida.police.shot/index.html?hpt=T1

You have to wonder if the suspect will elect to end it himself, or allow the state of Florida to execute him, because either way, that is one dead, dead, dead man.

Comments

jg2112

June 29th, 2010 at 12:29 PM ^

Drumroll please.....

I went on to the most relevant Florida police officers' blog I could find, and asked this question on their message board:

Justin Turner - big bust, or biggest bust ever?

richarjo

June 29th, 2010 at 1:21 PM ^

I live in Tampa, and was listening to the report on this on the drive to work this morning.  Apparently a police officer pulled someone over, the called back up as is procedure.  As both officers walked up both sides of the car, the occupant shot them both because he had some warrants out for his arrest. 

Just terrible.

Mitch Cumstein

June 29th, 2010 at 12:34 PM ^

I'm glad you posted the story so that I could read it, but I am sad for the officers and their families and slightly annoyed that some of the above posts have turned a serious matter into a mockery of a thread.

willywill9

June 29th, 2010 at 12:40 PM ^

I don't mind posting this type of content.  OT is OT, plus it's the off season.

If I choose to click here, I can't complain.  My question is though, to what extent does mgoblog become another place where I can get general news?  Where is the line drawn?  What makes this more newsworthy than say, this:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/29/russian.spying.arrests/index.html?h…

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 1:07 PM ^

But then i read about these.  police in america are not innocent by default. 

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/bell_cop_sues_back_for_injury_7aoqYkd33QWGyqo1hUHEjP?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0sAb6veD2

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nypd_cop_aquitted_in_brutal_beating_L0zDQI5kCFxRyxDyq6kD8L#ixzz0sBKf8WrJ

 

considering i got negged 70 points for saying that i still read the free press, im sure this will lead to a massive negbang but i dont really care.  id rather do away with mgopoints when it becomes a referendum on someone's opinions.  the fact that ppl dont agree with an unpopular opinion shouldnt restrict the opinion-holder's ability to use the site.

Magnus

June 29th, 2010 at 1:19 PM ^

to call it a tragedy when two of them are killed,  i do not agree.

You lost me.  You never had me, but you lost me.

Deliver that line to the officers' wives, kids, parents, siblings, and friends.  See how well that goes.

Blazefire

June 29th, 2010 at 1:47 PM ^

So... is it just cops, or do you lump all groups together to determine everything about them at face value, too?

I tell ya, I had to move out of my last neighborhood because one of those colored folks moved in. All it takes is one and pretty soon everything is all gone to hell.

Go be a Buckeye fan. We don't need you here.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 2:02 PM ^

So... is it just cops, or do you lump all groups together to determine everything about them at face value, too?

i havent said anything about who police are or what kind of people the recently deceased are.  what i have said, is that my view of the world around me affords no special consideration to police over anyone esle on earth.  i also said that victims of police misdeeds are more deserving of an outpouring of sympathy than police that die violent deaths on the job.  if you dont agree, thats fine.

 

"I tell ya, I had to move out of my last neighborhood because one of those colored folks moved in. All it takes is one and pretty soon everything is all gone to hell."

if you could point out to me where i said that police = bad person i would appreciate it.  this should be directed at magnus, who stated that most brutality victims were bad people anyways

 

Go be a Buckeye fan. We don't need you here.

god forbid someone go against the herd.

BigBlue02

June 29th, 2010 at 3:53 PM ^

I don't really think the "I can't believe you guys are acting this way because I have a different opinion than you" retort can be used here. Any time you piss on two people's graves because some other cops did something bad in a non-related story doesn't mean you are going against the herd, it means you are an insensitive prick.

Mitch Cumstein

June 29th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^

And hope that by saying "to call it a tragedy when two of them are killed,  i do not agree." you meant that it isn't any more of a tragedy that two cops died than two non-cops dying.  If that is what you meant, I can see where you're coming from.  If that is not what you meant, I'd like to sock you one in the face if I ever see you.

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^

You use politically motivated websites detailing isolated incidents involving police officers in order to justify your view that it is OK if they are murdered on the job without any apparent provocation.

If the people shot were salesmen, or construction workers, or firefighters, or worked in any other occupation, would you consider it a tragedy then? If so, then why is it not a tragedy if two police officers are killed on the job. Because you don't like police...

I'm just going to stop now or I'm going to go on a tirade for several hours and you'll still be a complete asshole at the end of the day so it's really not worth it.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 1:32 PM ^

where did i say its ok to kill cops?  anywhere? no.

 

that being said, i dont feel anything when cops are killed in the line of duty other than the normal "oh someone died thats too bad".  i feel much worse for people who were victimized by the abuse of power.

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 1:39 PM ^

That said, I apologize for mistaking your point. I based my post on an incorrect interpretation of a previous post of yours without waiting for you to clarify it and that was my mistake. That said:

 


that being said, i dont feel anything when cops are killed in the line of duty other than the normal "oh someone died thats too bad".  i feel much worse for people who were victimized by the abuse of power.

This attitude is infuriating. It would be one thing if your view was that it is worse when power is used to cause equal degrees of harm to another without consequence, but that does not appear to be your reasoning. It seems much more likely to me that your view is born out of an inherent bias against the police and you look for ways to confirm this bias. Hence your willingness to link to copwatch and the New York Post. However, this discussion is certain to get overly political if it continues, so I suggest that we end it.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 1:46 PM ^

again you are applying what i said only to police.  im referring to the abuse of power in all ways.  saddam hussein, corrupt cops, statutory rape...all those things fall under the category of abuse of power and people exploiting those they were charged to protect.  thats the kind of thing that i find most upsetting.

 

2 police getting killed is sad in the generic "2 random people are dead" way.  why do they deserve more?  especially when brutality victims receive less.

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 1:59 PM ^

 


cops getting killed in the field is no more of a tragedy than any of the deaths attributed to their misconduct, probably less so given their positions of power.

The problem with your attitude is that you are expressing an anti-police bias on a thread about police officers getting murdered. This is not the time nor place for such a sentiment. Furthermore, your anti-police bias has led you to consider their deaths less of a tragedy than those subjected to abuse by police officers without any coherent explanation.

Also, try to differentiate between outrage and tragedy when making these arguments. If you cannot, then this dialogue is pointless.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^

1)  lets not pretend that what thread i voiced these opinions in would make a difference.  afaik there is no personal connection to the events of the original post, and even if there were, all i would change is adding "im sorry for your loss" to my first reply.  because that is my default response to anyone who suffered a loss.  to suggest that they deserve more simply because they were police...TO ME...is laughable.

 

2)  there is never a time or place for this sentiment it seems.  sorry if it offends or makes someone uncomfortable, but the other side of the original post (MY side) exists, and ive expressed all of my views without being uncivil or even negging someone for their opinions. 

 

3) My coherent explanation is that carrying the gun and law on your side gives you a grave responsibility NOT to exploit or mistreat the people you are charged with PROTECTing and SERV(E)ing.  Abondoning that responsibility makes you (this is all in the general sense btw) an enemy of the citizenry in my view.  Even moreso than perpetrators of random violence.

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^

1) You basically restated what you've been saying all along, so there's no real need to address it other than your point that nobody here has a connection to the victim or anyone who knows the victim. That is a fair point, although you could express outrage at the violence.

2) While your sentiment is in the minority, expressing it on a thread about two police officers being murdered is simply inappropriate. Hence, the reason that I am outraged and not being civil. If you died tomorrow and a thread was made about it, I would not go on the thread and write about how I didn't like you because of what you wrote on this thread. It would be highly disrespectful. That said, I will not defend myself for responding in an uncouth manner. My apologies to the Board at large.

3) The tragedy here is that two officers died in an act of senseless violence. The tragedy in cases of police brutality is that somebody died in an act of (arguably) senseless violence. You can also feel additional outrage over an act of police brutality because you feel outrage at the violence and outrage over the breach of public trust*, but that is not what you said. Instead, you claimed that the death of the officers was less of a tragedy, which in turn led myself and others to conclude that you have less regard for the lives of police officers than for the lives of other citizens. This is an issue of semantics, but an important one when trying to make a delicate point.

3a) There is no 'e' in serving.


*There are other arguments regarding that point of view, but once again it crosses to far into the realm of politics to discuss them.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 3:03 PM ^

i do consider it less of a tragedy.  how that affects any of the people that are so riled up about it is not my issue to deal with.

 

i know how to spell serving.  i didnt want the capitalized letters to be PROTECT and SERV

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 3:15 PM ^

You do realize that by claiming their deaths are less of a tragedy, then you are implicitly stating that you feel their lives are less valuable than that of other citizens. The only interpretation of your words that I can come up with that isn't incredibly offensive is the argument that the greater tragedy you describe is the loss of life and the public trust, versus the loss of life that occurs when an officer dies. I disagree with this view as well and think it is wrong to put that view up on a thread about police officers being murdered, but at least it has a little merit.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 3:34 PM ^

the greater tragedy you describe is the loss of life and the public trust, versus the loss of life that occurs when an officer dies

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so a hour later someone actually reads and thinks about what i was saying.  finally.

i typed out a long time ago that i view these police officers deaths with the same mild sadness that i view all senseless killings.

i also typed out a long time ago that the abuse of power and deliberate violation of responsibility made police misconduct what I consider to be a more heinous offense than random violence. 

Seth9

June 29th, 2010 at 4:27 PM ^

Now understanding your argument, I think you are overlooking a key point, namely that without law enforcement, the public could not trust the government as the government would not be able to protect its citizens. Thus, an act of violence against a police officer serves as an attack against the body responsible for protecting its citizens, thus corroding the public trust.

Attacking a police officer is an assault on an officer of the law for a government elected by the people for the people. It is an assault against the government that strives to allow us to be free and safe. And that sparks outrage in me more than a 'normal' act of violence.

gte896u

June 29th, 2010 at 5:26 PM ^

if the government really wanted me, along with millions of others, to be able to feel totally free and safe, then civilians would oversee the police.

 

and i suspect that you and i have wildly divergent views regarding the govt so im gonna leave that alone

wmu313

June 29th, 2010 at 1:57 PM ^

I come from a family of cops. They put their lives on the line every day to help morons like you. You are a piece of shit. Hopefully one day some thugs will beat the shit out of you and nobody will be around to help your sorry ass.