OT Tigers 15 games in and in 1st place = toast?

Submitted by Rodriguesqe on April 20th, 2017 at 8:29 PM

I wonder if a 1st place team 15 games in has ever looked gloomier.



Gucci Mane

April 20th, 2017 at 8:32 PM ^

One way to look at it is they have played awful and are still in first place. So if they start playing to their ability and maybe they can keep it up.


April 20th, 2017 at 8:33 PM ^

I hope not, but a three game sweep vs. another (now) ~.500 team is no bueno. 

I'll be back in Michigan over 4th July week and planning on three games with friends while I'm there. I hope they are at least still hanging on to 1st place then.

The People's Jones

April 20th, 2017 at 8:35 PM ^

I think a large portion of their victories have been comebacks. Not sure how sustainable that is. Pitching is an issue, and these older guys won't be healthy all year.

Cleveland is the class of the division.

Stringer Bell

April 20th, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^

This was an atrocious series.  Defense was horrible, guys aren't hitting, bullpen is terrible (though they just called up Jimenez and Hardy, which should help).  Getting JD back will be huge, and VMart really needs to start hitting.


April 20th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^

A guy can surprise us, but at some point a guy who is old and beaten up isn't just slumping a bit; he's in decline. With this roster it is kind of inevitable, and every time Miggy has a bad week I have to remember that at some point the "bad weeks" are going to be a regular thing.

I mean, they had to resign him after that season he had a couple of years ago, but this can't be a surprise to anybody.

rob f

April 20th, 2017 at 9:44 PM ^

when the home team struggles to sell any more than a couple thousand tickets for most weekday home games. One loudmouth fan can easily be heard above the deafening silence in such a tomb.

Tropicana Field is a pathetic excuse for a MLB baseball park---it makes Minnesota's old home, the Metrodome, look like a baseball shrine.


April 20th, 2017 at 8:52 PM ^

The title of the thread looks like the beginnings of a mathematical equation. Advanced stats! We can do this. The relevant equation looks like this:

(x * y)b = z

Where x = something like, oh, the current winning ratio expressed as a fraction; y = perhaps the estimated winning percentage or WAR or whatever based upon the team's hitting and starting pitching using some fancy advanced statistics or what have you; and z = the probability of the team making the postseason.

b is the value of the team's bullpen. b = 0. Do the math.


April 20th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^

It's basically a 5 way tie for first...Crazy thing so far this year is that the parity is pretty incredible.  Usually, there are a few teams dominating already with 1 or 2 losses.  Every team in the league has at least 5 losses already (Baltimore is only one with 4)!  

May make for a very interesting season.  The Tigers would dominate if they could only play 7 inning games...Bullpen is horrible.


April 20th, 2017 at 8:52 PM ^

There are exactly two arms that are reasonably reliable in the bullpen. Both are named Wilson. When Ausmus gets on the phone and asks for anybody else, he might as well be ordering pizza. 


April 21st, 2017 at 9:19 AM ^

They are going down with K-rod. He was good at one point in his career. The Tigers are great at picking up dudes who are on the backside of their careers and hoping like hell that they still have something left. The problem is, is that they rarely do.

I've always had a problem with the idea that only a "closer" can pitch the last inning. Especially with the Tigers. Just put a guy out there who can get outs. At this point it's all anybody wants to see.  

Naked Bootlegger

April 20th, 2017 at 9:21 PM ^

Was cautiously optimistic they would take 2 of 3 from TB.  But that series was just so brutal.   Glad to know bullpen changes were made.   I kind of can't believe they are where they are with so many big sticks not hitting and the bullpen not named Wilson being a trainwreck.

Hotel Putingrad

April 20th, 2017 at 9:27 PM ^

Frankie says, "Relax!"...promptly blows save. This team just doesn't have any bullpen options, and Zimmerman looks to be done. I don't see them finishing above .500, though I'm really surprised Toronto is sucking so bad.


April 20th, 2017 at 9:33 PM ^

The White Sox and the Twins are horrific, probably losing 90+ each. The Royals are going to blow things up at the deadline in July. The Tigers will probably finish above .500. That might mean 82-80, but above .500 nonetheless. However, their bullpen issues guarantee that theyh won't be much above .500, either. 


April 20th, 2017 at 9:44 PM ^

I wouldn't be surprised in the least to hear that Zimmerman is still injured. Here's the scary part of his contract: we signed him the split second BEFORE the pitching market went nanners that winter. 

I would not have paid Scherzer the contract he wanted, either, even in hindsight. Pitch for 7 years and get paid for 14 or 15 years due to salary deferrment? Get out of here. 


April 20th, 2017 at 9:51 PM ^

For me it's worth recognizing that, some rough starts aside, it seems like the organization has done a nice job compiling young starters. Verlander's resurgence helps too, of course. And there are some pieces in the order that are still good; just a lot of holes, and JD looks good to bolt this winter, too. Tough job to rebuild an entire outfield.

The People's Jones

April 20th, 2017 at 10:24 PM ^

That was DD, not Al Avila. So far Al Avila has signed zimmermann, pelfry, and mark lowe. he also sent down one of our only good arms after a 1-2-3 inning for a guy that promptly gave up 4 earned runs in 1/3 of an inning.

traded our top catalyst in Maybin for nothing. signed upton to a terrible deal. Avila is in way over his head.


April 20th, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^

Agreed on Scherzer. They were already laboring under the huge contracts to Cabrera, Verlander, Sanchez (at the time it wasn't ludicrous, like now), V-Mart, and were (are) still paying off a portion of Prince Fielder's bloated deal. They made a $144 million offer to Max, and he said no. At some point, you've got to cut bait.


April 20th, 2017 at 9:36 PM ^

The problem is and continues to be the bullpen.  Sadly I think they aretwo arms away from being really good.  Unfortunately, those arms are no where in the system.

Ausmus contract year.  He's finally going to lose it.  The team is paper thin and any injuries hurt more. JD Upton Iglesias,  geez thats 1/3 of the lineup

The reason the OF defense so bad.. Lets see, coverted IF, rookie, rookie.

I'm most worried about Vmart, He looks cooked.

The Dirty Nil

April 21st, 2017 at 8:13 AM ^

The bright side is that the starting rotation has a lot of upside with the young guys. Jacoby jones, McCann, and Castellanos are other bright spots with a good amount of ability. It's a matter of building a better farm system that produces position players that are worth a damn and finding relievers that can do their job.


April 21st, 2017 at 10:39 AM ^

This last series with Tampa was awful. Does Martinez's bat really make up for his terrible base running? Someone hit a ball to right that was guaranteed to get anyone else to 3rd, and he just strolled in to 2nd. Frustrating 3 games, though nothing was more frustrating then the play to end game 2. Ugh. That being said, I still love the Tigers.