OT: Tebow released by the Jets [Locked]

Submitted by Leaders And Best on April 29th, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Commence ESPN Tebow Mania with round the clock coverage.

Mod edit: Locked the thread because the discussion went way off course. Partially my fault for not being here in real time, but there's no reason a discussion about a football player on a sports site needs to turn into a discussion of his personal life when it's something against the sites rules. JGB.

Comments

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 9:25 AM ^

I really think he ought to become an H-back type of player.  You could do some creative things with motioning him into the backfield, running a Wildcat type of play with the H-back, etc.

GoBlueInNYC

April 29th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^

Schefter had a tweet saying that the trade talks have been going on all off season and that teams have been asking him about making the switch to TE. According to Schefter, Tebow has been saying no.

bacon1431

April 29th, 2013 at 10:37 AM ^

Yeah, third string Qb is probably the most glamorous job in all of sports. Always thought it'd be great to be that or defensive replacement OF because you only play 1-2 innings max and maybe an AB where they don't care if you do anything with. Middle reliever would be pretty sweet too because you usually come in when your team is giving up a ton of runs. 13th man in the NBA would be dope.

Tater

April 29th, 2013 at 10:13 AM ^

I think Tebow could be a Hall of Fame TE if he concentrated on that position only, but I am guessing the NFL would have him be TE/H-back/Fullback/Wildcat.  Versatile wins games, but doesn't get a player into a lot of Pro Bowls or the Hall of Fame.  

My guess is that, after nobody hires him to be a QB, his mind will suddenly be a lot more open about changing positions, and he has a solid NFL career as a "slash."

WMU81

April 29th, 2013 at 10:15 AM ^

The guy leads Denver to a Playoff victory and the next year he has to ride the pine because Rex Ryan has some wierd love for Mark Sanchez ( who i believe is terrible). Tebow is far from my favorite player, but the Jets screwed him. Wouldnt even give the Man a chance. I can honestly say I hate the jets and Rex Ryan will probably be without a Job come off season

LSA Aught One

April 29th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^

I'm guessing you don't have ESPN. 

They have been really the only ones perpetuating the "Tebow is serviceable as a QB" meme.  They are the only ones giving him any press and the only reason is that they think if they cover him enough, he will turn out to be a good QB.  ESPN created this debacle by overhyping him and they will continue to do so to prove that they were correct.

michiganfanforlife

April 29th, 2013 at 8:47 AM ^

This guy has horrible stats in the NFL, but how can you argue with his production? He took a losing Denver team to the playoffs not too long ago and even won the first round. Remind me of how Peyton did in the first round last year? I'm not suggesting that he's better than 18, or even in the same ballpark. I'm just saying I like the guy 'cause he wins games. He makes big plays in the clutch and he's fun to watch. If any team gives him a legit shot with the pistol offense, he could do some things. Maybe the Redskins should kick the tires? How much you wanna bet RG3 doesn't play 16 games this year?

Jehu the Damaja

April 29th, 2013 at 9:05 AM ^

Correct. He got very lucky because their D/ST were playing out of their minds. Dude never even played well until the 4th quarter, so it's hard for me to say he was "fun to watch". College Tebow, absolutely. I was so happy when my Broncos got rid of him. He'll end up somewhere just to sell some jerseys and get the team some extra air time on ESPN though.

michiganfanforlife

April 29th, 2013 at 9:09 AM ^

I'm just saying the thing that fascinates me about Tebow is how bad his stats are vs. how many games he wins when he starts. Maybe it was all the team around him, maybe he does have some last second magic. I will be interested in the team he goes to, and I really hope he actually gets a shot instead of being paid to hold a clip board.

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 9:23 AM ^

Kyle Orton had the same defense and led the team to a 1-3 or 1-4 record, something like that.  I'm not saying Tebow is the second coming, but the fact is they weren't winning before Tebow started playing more.  Quarterbacks are often measured by their record as a starter, and he did pretty well in that category.

GoBlueInNYC

April 29th, 2013 at 9:44 AM ^

But what did he do to get those wins? If I remember correctly, that Bears win was a 13-10 OT win that featured two 50+ yard FGs and at least one late game screw up by the Bears (Barber fumble maybe). That screams good D, good special teams, and luck. "He just wins" is the laziest and least convincing argument ever. There is a reason the guy couldn't beat out Sanchez or even McElroy.

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 10:35 AM ^

A win is a win.  Do you mean to suggest that no good quarterback (Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc.) has had an off day but still won because of defense and special teams?  Tebow also went 10/15 for 202 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions in a 35-32 win the week before that Bears game.

All I'm saying is, you can hype up Dan Marino all you want, but Trent Dilfer's the one with the Super Bowl ring.  If winning is what matters, Tebow has done it.  Sometimes teams are built around good defenses.  The Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the late '90s and early '00s didn't have great quarterback play, either.  But they won.  

You play to win the game.

BTW, I don't give a hoot whether he could beat out Sanchez or McElroy.  Rex Ryan hasn't exactly proven to be a great offensive coach, and he's perfectly capable of making mistakes.  His idea of a starting quarterback is someone who had a 55-51 touchdown-to-interception ratio going into 2012 and completed about 55% of his passes.  The man can coach defense, but you shouldn't be trusting him about his choices for offensive scheme and personnel.

GoBlueInNYC

April 29th, 2013 at 10:56 AM ^

Are you suggesting Dilfer is a better QB than Marino because he has a ring? Football is a team sport and it's insane to always give one player credit for the team's success. Dilfer's Ravens might have been better than Marino's Dolphins, but that isn't the same as saying Dilfer is better than Marino.

To your first point, guys like Brady and Brees have careers of winning with superior QB play. Tebow had less than a season of ugly wins that featured a lot of subpar offense.

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 2:51 PM ^

Rex Grossman should be a starting quarterback for any team that has a worse quarterback than Rex Grossman.

In the Jets' case, Tim Tebow is quite possibly a better quarterback than Mark Sanchez.  So should Tebow be a starter for the Jets?  Possibly.  Should he be starting somewhere else?  That depends on what the other teams have.

bacon1431

April 29th, 2013 at 9:50 AM ^

The defense gave up somthing like 30 a game when Orton was starting, partially due to him throwing like 6 interceptions those first few games. What Tebow did was take care of the ball, the defense did the rest as they raised their game, giving Tebow a chance for his late game heroics. If the defense was even average when Tebow was starting, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. He was a glorified game manager that could run the ball.

bacon1431

April 29th, 2013 at 10:43 AM ^

What teams want a game manager at Qb though? Only teams with elite defenses can afford to have that. And even those teams would prefer to have a game breaker. He'd be fine as a backup. And he'd add a different demension than most backups. But he brings a ton of media baggage with him so I can see why people aren't slobbering over him at Qb. He can do what the coaches ask of him. But that's not really all that great because the coaches aren't able to ask more of him because of his limitations in the passing game.

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 10:58 AM ^

Hah. This is just kind of a funny question in this context.

What teams want a game manager?  I don't know.  Maybe the Jets?  Their starting QB threw 13 touchdowns and 18 interceptions, compared to Tebow's 12-to-6 ratio in 2012.  I think they SHOULD probably take a game manager over what they chose last season.  Obviously, they seem to think Geno Smith could be that guy...but Tebow very well could have been better than Sanchez last year. 

bacon1431

April 29th, 2013 at 11:02 AM ^

Yeah, I have no idea why he wasn't inserted. I can only assume he looked awful in practice or they just didn't want to deal with the hoopla surrounding him getting playing time. But teams are always looking for that franchise Qb and I think it's pretty clear that he is not one of those.

BigMo89

April 29th, 2013 at 12:09 PM ^

Just because your team wins doesn't make you a good quarterback... in some cases it doesn't even make you a fine quarterback,

If you're looking for a good example, then you need not look further than the Jets.  Mark Sanchez was the golden boy his first two years, being the QB for the Jets in back to back AFC championship games.  People kept saying it was the running game and defense that put him in a position to succeed, but all he seemed to do was win.  What difference does it make?

Now the Jets don't have a running game and subpar defense and what happens?  The Jets are arguably the biggest laughing stock in the league.  People are already declaring Sanchez a bust and watching him run into his own teammate's butt and fumbling on YouTube on repeat.

Basically, sometimes even stats (ie. TD:Int, QB rating, Wins vs. Losses, etc.) aren't a good indicator of whether someone is a good or bad QB.  Sometimes you need the eye test and according to my eyes, Tebow just is not an NFL QB.  And it looks like a lot of NFL GMs agree with that.

Aequitas

April 29th, 2013 at 12:44 PM ^

Eye test is over-rated.  The league is about wins.  Period.  The Broncos passed the eye test last year at QB but won exactly as many playoff games as the Lions.

I hope he lands on his feet somewhere.  I actually enjoyed watching the Bronco's run when he was there.

Magnus

April 29th, 2013 at 2:53 PM ^

Mark Sanchez had 9 fumbles in 2012.  True, he had a higher completion percentage.  But would you rather have a guy completing 46% of his passes for 12 touchdowns and 6 picks, or a guy completing 55% of his passes for 13 touchdowns and 18 picks?  I'll take the former.

WMU81

April 29th, 2013 at 10:21 AM ^

Isnt Pitt known for there Great D?  I also believe it was a 80yrd bomb that won the game, not a defensive stance. Remind me again of how Peyton Manning did. It was his HORRIFIC PASS that let Balitmore set up for a winning score.

Again, not a big Tebow fan, but Facts are Facts. Sanchez sucks and Tebow should of had a shot.

BlueRecruitFan

April 29th, 2013 at 8:58 AM ^

How do the Jets have a fanbase?  Honestly, their biggest "name" and still "face-of-the-organization" is an alcoholic 65 year old man.  They have to compete with the Giants, who even with Coughlin, manage to produce.  Then they have Boston a few miles to the North.  Or, if the people would prefer, a similarly hapless, though more successful franchise in Buffalo.  Or, only an hour away, the always-close but no cigar Eagles.  What is the draw to the Jets?