OT: Talking Cars (Thursday!?)

Submitted by JFW on February 28th, 2019 at 11:33 AM

I was doing some reading last night about the '89 full size Dodge and its Cummins 12v 5.9. 

Apparently the thing was nearly indestructible. Timing *gear*; mechanical fuel injection, and 400lbs/ft of torque. 

In my life I've had a 4.0 liter engine that was at 205K when I sold it, and a 318 that I put on 250K miles on it when the body rusted out. I've heard of other famous engines:

The Slant Six 211. 

The 2JZ

The Ford 300 inline 6.

Most cars today are pretty durable (My Five Hundred has 190K on it). But there are some legends out there. In JFW's MGoWorld I'd be driving around with 318's, 12v diesels, 4 liters, and 2JZ's. All with sticks. 

What best engines have you ever had? What other legendary mills have I not included? 

MGoFunkadelic

February 28th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^

last summer i replaced my 2003 Infiniti G35 after 290,000 miles on original engine and transmission.  the inifinit 3.5 liter v6 was the best v6 on the planet for a long time.  had to let it go when the cost to repair the original transmission was over 3 times the value of the car.  that car was indestructible until the very end when everything started to go at once.   squeezed every penny of value out of that car and it drove like a dream.  loved the sport suspension and handling.  

DMill2782

February 28th, 2019 at 11:45 AM ^

1994 Toyota Camry American Edition. It was my Mom's originally and she put about 160K miles on it while driving for work. She got a new job and they provided her a company car, so I got out of my '89 Chevy Beretta and inherited the Camry. 

I drove it to 340K miles before I got rid of it. Never had a single transmission or engine issue. Drove it to Florida from Indiana at least 10 times. Drove it all over the Midwest, never an issue. 

I got rid of it more because of cosmetic issues. Having it on a college campus meant it inherited some dings, dents, broken side mirrors, and scratches from assholes who couldn't drive. Repairs weren't worth the cost anymore. 

Also, just for fun I got the thing up to the 140 MPH max on the speedometer. Safety first kids!

 

OwenGoBlue

February 28th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

Similar story for me but you win on miles and on the speedometer. 

Mine was a hand-me-down '86 Camry that started shaking uncomfortably over 120 MPH on the "teenager needs to see how fast the car goes" run. 

I hit 325K on it before I donated it. I figured they would just sell some parts but fairly certain I spotted it on the road in like 2010 when I was back in my hometown for Thanksgiving. 

1VaBlue1

February 28th, 2019 at 11:46 AM ^

My 2001 Camry had a little 1.something liter 4-banger that sipped at a ~30mph rate forever.  Had ~270K on it, and was still going strong despite not having had a workable catalytic converter for ~100K of those miles.  The only thing that stopped that car was my lack of timely maintenance on the transmission - a filter screen popped a hole and sediment ground down the whole thing.  But the engine was still running like gold!

Am I doing this right?

BLUEinRockford

February 28th, 2019 at 11:58 AM ^

The Sprint 200 inline 6 in my 1966 Mustang had 200,000 miles on it when I sold it. That engine ran great, however the body rusted out rather quickly. Could see the road through the holes in the floorboards. 

xtramelanin

February 28th, 2019 at 12:10 PM ^

i have a 5.9 cummins 24V  in our old dodge farm truck.  215K miles.  it is unstoppable.

7.3 liter powerstroke - i had one for 18 years, 235K miles.  sold b/c of body rust but the engine was a champ.  500 ftlbs of torque which was unheard of in 2000.

6.7 powerstroke - present daily driver.  tremendous engine, quiet, decent mileage (18-20 mpg usually) stupid fast/torque for a truck that weighs 8K lbs.

6.6 duramax - new to us, about a month, mgowife's daily driver.  so far, so good, much like the powerstroke.  we'll see how it holds up. 

1.8 VW tdi. - have our second right now.  runs great, quiet, 45-50 mpg. what's not to like? 

xtramelanin

February 28th, 2019 at 1:34 PM ^

i built a bio-diesel reactor in the barn so fuel is really, really cheap.  runs the tractor, too.  i don't use it during the winter though since bio diesel doesn't do well in the winter cold.  this a.m. the ambient temp was 12 below.  bio diesel looks more like crisco at that temp. 

do have a gas engine van.  5.4 L triton V8.  ~ 110K trouble free miles so far. not fancy, not fast, but very dependable. 

xtramelanin

February 28th, 2019 at 11:51 PM ^

generally, yes.  bio has much better lubricity which makes for better mileage.  however, there it is not as stable as petro-diesel and can't stand the signif cold and also has trouble with some of the newer diesel engines because of the intense pressure and temperature they use to achieve the combined goals of power/mileage/emissions.  older diesel engines in particular will run very well with 100% bio. 

xtramelanin

March 1st, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

5.9 will do better.  base = used cooking oil.  filter and put into reclaimed water heater and get it up to about 140 degrees, add 15% of volume of the oil as a catalyst in the form of lye and methanol.  let the pump run and circulate it for a day.  wait the for the precipitate to sink to the bottom.  drain that.  'clean' the remaining fuel by sprinkling with water, letting it take the impurities with it to the bottom of the tank.  drain that off.  you will then have the most beautiful amber fuel, and yes, it does smell like a bit like a restaurant if you trail behind me and i'm running with it. 

drjaws

February 28th, 2019 at 4:25 PM ^

There’s a reason Cummins engines are in everything from pickups to dump trucks.  They are powerful and last forever.  The 5.9L straight 6 diesel is a helluva engine.  Can haul an RV and then with a few mods, be able to race a mustang or corvette .... and win

BlizzardOfOz

February 28th, 2019 at 12:14 PM ^

My '98 Z-71 has 225K on the 5.7L Vortec and shows no signs of slowing down.  I plan to take it on trips to Kansas and Wyoming this year (from Ohio).  Super easy vehicle to work on and parts are cheap.  The trick is dealing with the inevitable rust.  Changing cab corners and rockers is one thing but when the box starts to rust it's decision time...

maize-blue

February 28th, 2019 at 12:33 PM ^

The 3.6 V-6 I've had in various GM cars in the past was a good engine. Good power, ok MPG, smooth. The transmissions in those cars (at least mine) failed long before the engine.

rob f

February 28th, 2019 at 5:24 PM ^

Oh, yeah!!

An Olds Rocket 350 powered the first car I drove, a hand-me-down Olds Vista Cruiser Wagon from my dad when he got a new car back in the early 70s.

That was my party wagon, took it camping and two-tracking and everything else when I was finishing my senior year of high school and first year in college. 

Great engine, that Rocket 350!

JeepinBen

February 28th, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^

I had the 4.0L straight 6, which was absolutely bullet proof.

I currently have an EA888, which is pretty great. 2.0L, turbo, 210HP, 256ft-lbs, and I'll get 37 MPG highway.

I'd say we need to pour a quart out for the creative engines we don't get anymore. Mazda keeps floating the idea of a Wankel out there, and Audi does still make an inline-5... but just about everyone else is boring.

wolverinebutt

February 28th, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^

The 350 in my 1972 Olds Delta 88 was excellent.  I purchased it in 1982 $1200 bucks.  I drove her for 70k miles and she purred the whole time.  I got rear ended and had to let her go. 

I compared her to my first Wife.  She was cheaper, better looking, never talked back and didn't take half my stuff.  I wish I had her back(The car). 

     

BornInA2

February 28th, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^

The BMC A-Series engine first went into production in 1951. The last one in the evolving series was built in 2000. Over those 49 years it ranged from 28 to 94 horsepower, 802 to 1275cc, and was used in at least 89 car models. I'm not aware of another automobile engine with a lifespan or heritage anything like that.

Also, the LT5 in the 1990-95 Corvette ZR-1, which still holds endurance records. It is an unheralded pinnacle of engineering excellence (designed by Lotus, built by Mercury Marine).

ironman4579

February 28th, 2019 at 1:21 PM ^

The Chevy small block V8 might give it run for it's money.  Over 100 million made, and you can still order brand new ones to this day.

Also, the Buick small block V8 215 I mentioned below was used in a ton of vehicles as well as the modified Rover V8 being used across a good portion of British Leyland models.  

ironman4579

February 28th, 2019 at 1:04 PM ^

Not sure about reliability overall, but some other legendary engines:

Buick V8 (Which I believe became the Rover V8)

Volkswagen flat 4

Jaguar Straight 6

Honda B-Series

 

Also a side note:  certainly not a legendary car or engine, but my mother had a 1990 Mazda 323 hatchback that she sold in 2003 with well over 200,000 Km on it, that included about 150,000 put on in like 3 years by yours truly.  She literally never had to take it in for repairs.  Those late 80's/early 90's Japanese models just ran forever.  If I could find a early/mid 90's Toyota Hilux I'd probably snap it up in heartbeat.

 

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I had a 1983 Mustang 2.3L that was an absolute dog.  Starter had a flat spot so you would have to randomly push start it, thing idled at like 2500 RPM's and nothing you did would lower it.  Getting it up to 80 KPH made the thing howl and shake like it was going to explode.

JFW

March 1st, 2019 at 10:34 AM ^

When I was a kid my Mom had a 2.3 liter Mustang. '79. 

We also had an '84 Minivan (2.2 liters and 89 HP of carbuereted fury). 

The 2.2 was decent, if doggy. 

The 2.3 was laughable. You couldn't idle in the summer at a stop light and run the AC. It would stall.