OT: Sony trolled Microsoft HARD last night(video)

Submitted by ClearEyesFullHart on June 11th, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Background: Much has been made about Xbox One's restrictive game DRM(Digital Rights Management) wherein games can be shared with exactly one friend(by code or login? I'm not sure), can only be resold through licensed retailers, and perhaps most offensively if you do not authenticate your XBOX online every 24 hours it becomes one ugly paper weight(till you log in again). Xbox fans are desperately clinging to the idea that their launch exclusives are better...

While Sony's own exclusives dont look too shabby...

 

Making this argument both premature and subjective. It's always been this way. Gears of War/Halo vs God of War/Uncharted. So what do we KNOW? Playstation 4 will have faster DDR5 RAM. Playstation 4 will have a better graphics card. http://reviews.cnet.com/ps4/

Xbox One will have Kinect. http://reviews.cnet.com/microsoft-xbox-one/

Playstation 4 has a gamepad with a motion element and a touchpad. I'm guessing controller two isn't going to be cheap. Xbox will have a broadcast cable passthrough(why?) but no DVR funcionality. Playstation 4 will have no restrictive DRM, and will be playable with or without an internet connection. Xbox One will cost $499. Playstation 4 will cost $399. I already preordered mine. What say you all?

Comments

The Baughz

June 11th, 2013 at 12:54 PM ^

Not a huge gamer. I do have a ps3 and I just play mainly sports games. I basically bought it so I can play The Show. Im glad that the PS4 is cheaper and looks to be better. Not sure if I'll purchase one, but the info is good to know. Thanks for sharing.

boliver46

June 11th, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^

My FF League Winnings this past year (double cool story bro!) went to buying my "kids" an XBox...just like with buying kids pets, the Xbox became "mine" shortly thereafter.  Guess I'll have to win again this fall to get the PS4 for the "kids" for Xmas this year.  LOL

lilpenny1316

June 11th, 2013 at 12:57 PM ^

I wonder if the PS4 will have a competitive number of titles on their platform compares to Xbox One.  I hated going to the store back in the days when Xbox had 10 titles to PS3's 1.

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

Xbox came out a year before and gained the market hence the more titles in the beginning. PS then upped the anty by securing more exclusive titles along the life of both cycles. Thats one of the things xb1 has harped on is the new exclusives they have hoping it can take back that side of the market.

 

mzdmv

June 11th, 2013 at 1:49 PM ^

Right, sorry. I always figured Xbox had more, mainly because those seem to be more popular than the PS3 ones, probably because they have more users. I forgot that the two consoles came out a year apart though

Swazi

June 11th, 2013 at 1:24 PM ^

Not sure if XBox really has more exclusives.

 

However, what they showed yesterday gave minimal interest to me.  I never liked Halo, Minecraft I have on PC, and Titan Fall I will be able to get on PC.  Those were the three big names.

 

And Sony destroyed them based on used game content, sharing, and Indy games flocking to them since Microsoft is making it fairly difficult for them.

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^

For me I play almost exclusively with real life friends nhl, borderlands, mmos (Dont get sucked in) We all have 360's however the drm and always online is crap. I leave mine hooked up and always online but the principle is insulting.

    They claim 15 exclusives in the first year but the games sony is offering is looking pretty damn solid. I think MS is in for a shock at how much people are pissed and when they decide with their wallets.

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^

Indies will flock because MS publicly stated that they don't want them. They are looking at smaller companies to develop xbla games but not indies. Aside from that the authenticating process for indie developers to get through MS is supposed to be grueling and not worth the effort. One of the points Sony made that they will continue to be indie friendly

Gameboy

June 11th, 2013 at 2:11 PM ^

Continue to be indie friendly???

I am guessing you have no clue on how to develop console games, because PS3 could not have been worse when it came to indie support.

I don't know where you are getting your info, but EVERY developer HAS to be registered in order to develop for the platform. That is true for EVERY walled garden platforms, including Xbox, Sony, and Apple.

Stop sprouting stuff that you have no clue about.

gbdub

June 11th, 2013 at 2:24 PM ^

FWIW, Game Informer had an article this month where several indie developers, including the creator of Super Meat Boy, went off on how terrible XBLA was to work with, particularly in terms of updates (costs developers $40k to release a bug fix) and promotion.

The gist was that Microsoft led the way a few years ago, but has rested on their laurels since, while Sony and Nintendo have been making up ground, and that Sony seems pretty serious about making PS4 attractive to smaller developers.

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 2:26 PM ^

You're right I have never developed, nor coded i'm just someone that enjoys gaming.  However with xbox 1 discontinuing their XBLA in favor of letting all games stand on their own online and this article indie games companies aren't too thrilled.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/22/4355222/microsoft-xbox-one-and-indie-games

 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/indie-developers-cannot-self-publish-games-on-xbox-one-6408774

 

 

Gameboy

June 11th, 2013 at 2:46 PM ^

These articles are confusing issues.

First, as to the bug fix fees, Xbox is a closed system with its own private network for downloads and publishing methods. The test all downloads for certainly quality checks, and they are costly, and they discourage developers from issuing poor updates with bugs, by making it costly to constantly issue patches. If you publish quality, tested code, this is not an issue.

Second, Indies can create games for not much more than sign up fees ($75 when I did it). And publishing it through Xbox Arcade is the cheapest way to get your game on a console, bar none.

The Indies are pissed because the current Xbox Arcade games are not going to be transferrable. It is a new kernel and they have to be recompiled, and probably modified to run on the new platform. That goes double for the Sony as well.

The only valid issue is the secrecy. Due to the lockdown and trying to minimize leaks, MS put Indies on the back burner. That situation will change as the platform has been formally announced. If you have been to any dev conferences MS hosts for game developers, you would know that nobody supports developers like MS in game consoles.

 

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 2:56 PM ^

Again just a gamer with zero experience even thinking about how one might develop/publish a game.  I hope you are right because I love indie games and currently only play on 360. I just saw a few articles/interviews with popular developers (fez, Super meat boy, etc) blasting the new xbox format/secrecy what have you.

Blue Koolaid

June 11th, 2013 at 7:47 PM ^

Yes ps3 indie dev support was weak which is why xbla took over. However patching on xbla is a pain and added cost. However the biggest problem with xbla is that MS chooses when YOUR game releases. Having an indie title launch along side AAA titles is a joke.

Sony has made this process much more streamlined for ps4. Patching is simple and supposed to be much faster. BUT the biggest announcement is that Sony is going to let US decide when we release games. MS is not going to be so accommodating.

Darth Wolverine

June 11th, 2013 at 1:00 PM ^

I am pissed about the used game issue and price. The always online thing doesn't affect me since I will always have Internet (assuming it doesn't cut out, which is rare anyway), but I still think it is bull shit because not everyone has Internet.

I am excited about some of the exclusive games, such as Ryse: Son of Rome and Titanfall. I'm a sucker for a good war game and Titanfall looks really fun. That online World of Tanks game looks cool, which will be available this summer on XBOX for free. I also like how they are giving all gold members two free game downloads per months until the release of X1. I already downloaded Fable 3 last night and will download AC 2 and Halo 3 when available, even though I already have the discs (I will just trade my discs for something else, so at least I get something out of them).

Anyway, I'm not droppng 500 bones for a new console and will wait until next year, maybe late 2014, to buy one. That will give them time to (hopefully) work out any bugs and the price will drop...at least it should.

All I care about right now is Assassin's Creed 4 though. I'm so excited for October 29. By the way, even though I am a Call of Duty guy, Battlefield 4 on X1 looks like real footage from a helmet camera. I was amazed with that demonstration at E3. I have BF 3, but don't play it online. I only bought it for the campaign mode. I tried to get into its multiplayer, but as I stated, I am a Call of Duty guy.

Alf Urkel

June 11th, 2013 at 1:02 PM ^

I'm probably going to buy a Wii U once the price drops solely for the new game from Monolith Soft.  Not thrilled with  Wii U Mario, the new Retro game (it's just another side-scrolling Donkey Kong), Mario Kart Wii U looks awesome, as does the new Smash Bros.  Other than that, I'm willing to buy a Wii U soley for the Monolith game.  

JeepinBen

June 11th, 2013 at 1:50 PM ^

Just finished the first Bioshock a bit ago. Was crazy (Subs!) just downloaded Fable 3 for free, but I think that may take way too long to play through.

I think the only games I've paid full price* for recently are the NCAA Football ones and Halo 4.

* b/c I usually get a preorder deal of $5-20 off, or include DLC.

gbdub

June 11th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^

I've been shamelessly buying up the "Game of the Year" editions that come out with all the DLC included. Easy to find for under $30 and usually a great game. Went that route with Fallout 3, Arkham Asylum, and Red Dead Redemption - still need to pick up Uncharted 3 (2 was one of my favorite games). But first I need to finish off Deus Ex: Human Revolution. 2011 PS3 games are awesome you guys, for real.

Of course, I basically never play online multiplayer because I don't play enough to be good and nothing about being slurred at by 12 year olds is appealing to me. Is probably have to rethink my strategy if multiplayer were key to me.

Baldbill

June 11th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^

I have balked at the prices of the consoles for many years now, the fact that for only a little more I can buy a PC...I really don't care for the consoles.

This round/generation is Sony's to lose, MS has not done what they needed to, and Nintendo also did very little. I did buy a WiiU but it is for the kids, I play games on my PC or I don't play them.

I am not really a fan of either sony or MS...I seen nothing that is compelling enough to spend the amount they want you to.

 

 

 

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:07 PM ^

I've had just about every system. I'm on the fence as to which console. I've been with 360 for the last few years and even though you pay for online its far superior i.e. private parties, cross game comms, etc) However it looks to be that ps4 is implementing the same thing with this console. I'm curious if  the slight favor of ps4's specs are going to matter since if i'm not mistaken xb1 will be using cloud to overpower their specs through the future (assuming its not b.s. and I understood that correctly)  The DRM and stupid rules xb1 is implementing could turn the tide if they don't figure something out soon though.

gbdub

June 11th, 2013 at 2:30 PM ^

The idea that you could offload any significant processing to "the cloud" would require both a super fast internet and massive dedicated servers on the MS end.

See Sim City for the pitfalls of this approach.

Plus, you really are "leasing" your game at that point, since it becomes worthless when MS decides to stop supporting it. It would be like every Windows XP machine on Earth just refusing to boot.

WMUgoblue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:07 PM ^

Long time Xbox/Microsoft man but Sony really did everything to pull most casual gamers towards to the PS4. The idea of going up north (where we don't have internet) and not being able to play some Fifa after an afternoon of snowboarding seems ridiculous to me. Why do you need to have an internet connection to play games? I certainly will be converting to the PS4 this winter, I'm really not sure why anyone wouldn't at this point.

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

Yeah it has to authenticate atleast once every 24 hours. If you don't you can still watch tv/blu ray but no games even single player.  Also the big dark scuttlebutt is the Kinect will be used to see how many people you have watching a rented movie or an event. Think sports bar watching a UFC fight and if it sees more than the alloted faces then BAM busted.... Again just rumor but still scary.

thisisme08

June 11th, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^

I dont get the benefit/point of this rumor at all? If you have 3 instead of 2 people watching a movie you get busted? My wife has never turned on the Xbox let alone created a profile so its not like they can use facial recognition and to dissallow people. 

Further, I thought they've said Kinect can be turned off, but it needs to remain "hooked" to the system where as the internet/ping system cannot ever be turned off. 

ToledoBlue

June 11th, 2013 at 2:08 PM ^

Not sure of the validity of said rumor just that I got it from IGN the benefit would be not to the consumer but the companies providing it which as you can probably tell from DRM, online only, etc seems to be where MS cares the most. The new kinect can recognize multiple people at once to play opposed to two with the first model. It never turns off. You can turn off certain functions but it lies awake waiting for certain voice commands. Again just a dirty rumor that gained some traction but based on the evidence so far not too far fetched.

    

jaggs

June 11th, 2013 at 2:17 PM ^

the benefit would be programs like Netflix for example would make recomendations based on who/how many in the room. 4 or 5 people there? Ok here is some family entertainment. 1 Person? Oh here are some action movies.

Basically targeted advertising could be better and in this early phase, gathering data to see how they can sell/charge us for things in the future will be the concern.

MichiganManOf1961

June 11th, 2013 at 3:12 PM ^

No no it makes perfect sense.  Think of a UFC fight on pay-per-view.  Let's say it's 19.95.  UFC and the cable company / whoever "sells" the UFC fight to tv don't care if 6 people rather than 2 watch it at your house.  They care when a bar buys the fight, and ONE HUNDRED people watch it as free riders.  That's when they lose big money.  I bet the bar could be set high enough not to impact most events, they could make it 15 "faces" per purchase.

JamieH

June 11th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^

That rumor is just conspiracy theory nonsense.  They aren't watching you through Kinect and counting how many people watching your rented movies.  Why would they care anyway?  There isn't a limit on the number of people that can watch a rented movie.  I could invite my entire town ower to watch a rented movie if I wanted to.  The only person I'd be in trouble with would be the fire marshall.

The 24-hour internet authentication thing is true though

JamieH

June 12th, 2013 at 12:30 AM ^

Large companies file patents for all kinds of crap.  They generally do this to protect themselves from other companies undercutting them with their OWN patents and then trying to extort money from them saying that they are infringing on their patents. 

A company with the unlimited resources of Microsoft patents anything they can possibly patent, and probably stuff they should be able to as well. 

Michigan Shirt

June 11th, 2013 at 5:37 PM ^

I am not defending Microsoft on this rumor, but it would seem that you could just turn your Kincet, seeing as how it is just a camera sitting on the shelf. I hate this idea and this may put me off buying one for awhile to see how it actually turns out. I have a feeling Microsoft may have to change some features after all the reporters destroy them after E3.