OT: SEC Basketball Complaining about Being Treated Like Mid-Major Conference

Submitted by UMgradMSUdad on March 19th, 2013 at 1:13 PM

The SEC basketball coaches are bitching about being treated like a mid-major conference after playing like one:


Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin predicted two weeks ago that the SEC would earn six bids.

Martin said the SEC's three bids were an ''embarrassment'' after the brackets were revealed, and he didn't back down from those comments Monday. He said Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama are ''NCAA tournament teams'' that landed in the NIT.

''It's almost like a mid-major mentality in this league, when you've got your second-place team that doesn't get in the NCAA tournament,'' Martin said. ''This is a BCS league. It's one of the best leagues in America. That shouldn't happen.''

The SEC's non-conference performance indicates it actually wasn't one of the best leagues in the nation this season.



As the article goes on to point out, the SEC had losing records against all BCS conferences and performed worse than two mid-major conferences.



March 19th, 2013 at 5:10 PM ^

Don't try to explain this to an SEC fan.  Ever been to a basketball game in the south?  Half the crowd spends their time bitching about the team "not being set for the inbound", "fumbling" the ball to the other team, and screaming "HIT HIM!" on break-aways. 

Like explaining hockey (or what a girlfriend is) to a Hawaiian...

I'll be here all night folks, tip jar is by the Diaries section.




March 19th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

The SEC isn't close to one of the best leagues in the country.  Watch Alabama if you get the chance.  They'd finish 10th in the Big Ten if everything broke right. 


March 19th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^

If you wanted in the tournament, Cuonzo, your team should have played better.  Bitching about the results won't improve your team.   



March 19th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^

What a crock. The SEC sucks.

You know what happens in mid major leagues? The team that won the league tourney only made the NCAA tourney because of that. That's what happened in the SEC. They're lucky they didnt get two bids. Tell them to beat anyone outside of conference and then talk.


March 19th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^

This is funny.  This is Nick Saban's opinion on getting the four "best" teams into a football playoff:

"I think somebody's a little self-absorbed and how it affects them and how they can best get somebody in the game all the time rather than getting the best four teams. I don't think that's fair to the fans and the people who really have made it known they really want to see the best four teams play in a playoff."

Now, this jackass from Tennessee is saying that the SEC deserves more teams because they're better than a mid-major conference?  Puh-lease.  SEC Hypocrites!!!



March 19th, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^

Funny how not being able to over-recruit nearly as much in basketball compared to football affects a conference's abilities.

But honestly, of those three teams listed maybe Kentucky has an argument, and that's kind of a stretch.  It was a crap conference with only Florida being a legitimate top team.  3 bids looks rights to me.


March 19th, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^

Not saying all these comments won't prove to be true this year but given that the defending National Champs Kentucky hail from the SEC and B1G hasnt won one since 2000 we might not want to knock them TOO hard.

Oh, and while another SEC team Florida was winning it all in both  2006 & 2007 the B1G has lost it's last four NCAA Championship games.

Glass house meet rock.


March 19th, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^

That also proves what a lot of us say about winning football championships. Great teams win conferences. I believe a few years ago when UConn won the title the Big East had 9 teams in and UConn was the only one in the E8. That Florida team played in a very weak SEC, but was the best team. Alabama wins NC because they have the best football program, not because the SEC is so supreme. LSU lost to Clemson, Florida got crushed by Louisville, and SC should've been beat in their bowl games. 


March 19th, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^

I don't like this argument. 

First of all, the coach is talking about this year, so who won championships last year or 7 years ago doesn't really apply. 

Second of all, he's talking about the depth of his conference, not how good the top teams are.  If he were bitching that Florida should have deserved a 1 or 2 seed based on how top SEC teams perform in the tourney, your argument would hold water, but he's talking about the bubble teams.  UK winning a national title doesn't saying anything about the 5th best team in the conference. 

Lastly, I think using national championships to determine the strength of a conference is a bad indicator.  Those seasons where USC was winning national championships (allegedly) the Pac 10 sucked.  No one then thought the Pac 10 was good because USC was the best team in the country.  And everyone agreed that the Big Ten sucked this year.  If OSU wasn't on probation, played ND in the title game and won (which likely would have happened), is the Big Ten all of a sudden a great football conference in 2012?  If Memphis or Butler had pulled off those national championships a few years ago, were their mid major leagues the best?

No.  The best team does not necessarily come from the best conference.  In fact, especially in basketball, the best team can very realistically come from the worst.

Wolverine Devotee

March 19th, 2013 at 1:57 PM ^

Give me a break. They don't even go to their teams games. Here are the stats. Attendance numbers are from 2011-12 (last completed season of attendance)

It's a joke VANDERBILT practically fills their arena almost every game, and big name schools like auburn, georgia and south carolina have pathetic numbers.


Team Capacity Avg Att. % Full
Alabama 15,383 12,484 81%
Arkansas 19,368 13,096 68%
Auburn 9,121 6,502 71%
Florida 11,548 10,434 90%
Georgia 10,523 7,079 67%
Kentucky 23,500 23,721 109%
LSU 13,215 8,661 66%
Miss. 9,061 5,770 64%
Miss. St. 10,575 8,019 76%
S. Carolina 18,000 8,868 49%
Tennessee 21,678 16,543 76%
Vanderbilt 14,316 13,698 96%

SEC has football, baseball and softball. Kentucky in most years run that conference. This year florida is the team. The ONE team who is worth a damn there and they couldn't even win the conference tournament against a bubble team. 


March 19th, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^

Into what basketball is like down here. It takes second (and sometimes third) fiddle. For the SEC teams, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Florida are probably the most well attended, because they have had recent success. That's like saying Penn State isn't good because they don't fill their arena. Basketball isn't such a priority down here for sec teams. You go if your team is good. Nobody wants to watch a bad Auburn team like nobody wants to watch Penn State. Size of school and attendance have nothing to do with the basketball skill level.

Perkis-Size Me

March 19th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^

Ohh now the shoe's on the other foot, huh? This isn't football, pal. Your conference sucks. Florida is the only team in the SEC that's nationally relevant, and even they lost some games to some pretty questionable teams. While I don't think it will take Kentucky very long to get back on its feet, I guarantee if Bama, Tennessee or Kentucky were in the Big Ten this year, they'd be lucky to have .500 records.

You want to stop being treated like a mid-major? Field some more competitive teams. I'm sure your football counterparts would be happy to explain that to you.

Wolverine Devotee

March 19th, 2013 at 2:10 PM ^

They've been a joke historically really. Kentucky owns the place. Even in a down year, it shouldn't make them lose sleep at night. They have so many SEC banner they could give a bunch of people in 3rd world countries blankets. 

I mean, Auburn couldn't even do anything with freaking Charles Barkley. They got to the Elite Eight and that is the biggest accomplishment they've had. 


March 19th, 2013 at 2:19 PM ^

Cuonzo, Cuonzo, Cuonzo.  Your team came to UVA and scored fewer points than Mississippi Valley State (SWAC, 5-23), Seattle (WAC, 8-22), and Lamar (Southland, 3-28.)  If you don't want to be treated like a mid-major, don't play worse than the shitty ones.


March 19th, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^

Jesus, does the South ever stop bitching?  I'm pretty sure losing the Civil War means you have to keep your mouths shut forever.  I'm pretty sure that's in the treaty Lee signed somewhere.