Kevin13

May 17th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^

and this is crazy for me to say, since I hate Frost and Nebraska with a passion. But, I have to admit that I think he is good for college football. He won't take a back seat to anyone and talks a lot of crap. 

He's a character that will rub most people the wrong way, but what the hell sometimes that is good for the game.

Sam1863

May 18th, 2018 at 5:40 AM ^

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WoodleyIsBeast

May 17th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^

Is that the perception of Harbaugh outside of Ann Arbor would understandably be exactly what you just described with Scott Frost.  And as far as overall resumes, Jim is significantly farther ahead, however recent success certainly goes to Frost.  Both need to "bring their programs back quickly" to earn that respect. No matter the circumstances, Harbaugh is in year four without bringing the program back.

 

ijohnb

May 17th, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^

is an over-simplification.  "Bringing the program back" to where?  To this imaginary time and place in modern college football where Michigan won national championships every other year and was always ranked as pre-season #1?  You are right, he has not brought the program back to that imaginary place.

Four years ago our coaching staff sent our backup QB back into a football game with a obvious concussion.  The outcome of that game was a four score home loss to Minnesota with a road loss to Rutgers as the encore.

Two year ago we went to Ohio State as the third ranked team in the country and lost a double overtime game that would have in all likelihood sent us to the CFP.

Harbaugh hasn't been perfect, and it is OK to be critical of him when it is due but everything is relative.  But we aren't that anymore.  We aren't that mess of a thing we were under Rodriguez and Hoke.  Last year was disappointing (basically the MSU loss), but big picture, Michigan is actually far more relevant a lot sooner than I actually expected when Harbaugh was hired.

WoodleyIsBeast

May 17th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^

And Harbaugh is the only coach I want for our football program.  That being said, he has yet to accomplish much(not sure how this can be debated), especially when Urban has stepped right in and won big games(in addition to losing big games).  I did not say what I'd want him to bring us back to, but neither did FauxMo when he said Frost needed to bring Nebraska "back quickly" either.

 

We are wayyyyy past what the last two staff's have done, and I would say past what Lloyd Carr did at the tail end of his career(besides his 2006 top 10 finish), so I am optimistic.  Returning only 5 starters out of our main 22 last year gives me no qualms about waiting until this year to truly see what Harbaugh has.  He now has his QB and an even more solidified team overall, so expectations should be very high.  

 

I think it is important to note that JH does fall in the same category of needing to prove himself just like Scott Frost(possibly even more since his team went 13-0 last year).  Does anyone disagree with that?

 

 

 

ijohnb

May 17th, 2018 at 2:55 PM ^

I don't think anybody disagrees when it is framed that way.  He certainly still has work to do to be considered an "elite" college football coach.  He hasn't proven himself to be that yet, IMO.

At the same time, when he took over this program, the prevailing narrative was that 7-5 would be a good start and that it was going to take quite a while for him to win at all, nevermind win big.  He won 10 games back to back far ahead of schedule and the perspective on what to expect from this program changed dramatically. 

It is time for Harbaugh to win "the big one" though, I will give you that.  On the road in South Bend would be a nice place to start. 

greatlakestate

May 17th, 2018 at 8:40 PM ^

  We really can't compare the situation Meyer walked into with the one Harbaugh took over.   Tressel was fired for lying, not for losing games or recruiting poorly.  That cupboard was STOCKED and all Meyer really needed to do was to come in and tinker a bit.  He IS a good coach and OSU currently recruits itself, but Harbaugh had a LOT more to fix-- such as years of poor offensive recruiting and development.    

I'd say Frost/Nebraska is closer to what Harbaugh inherited.  Of course the B1G West is a MUCH easier division, so there's that.

Scioto

May 17th, 2018 at 10:39 PM ^

Is in a situation commensurate to what Harbaugh came into. You forget that 2016 team, those, what 11, 12 NFL draft picks, were Hoke recruits. Nebraska was awful. Very bad. Hasn’t been anything since Pelini was fired and they were nothing but what first or second in the West or Legends or Leaders, whatever the hell it was back then.

Harbaugh is a very good coach. I see parallels between him and Frost, but different than what many of you guys see. I think Frost has a much, much more difficult, uphill struggle ahead of him. Times have changed for Nebraska. He appears to have recruited his QB, something Harbaugh also appears so far to have failed at, but time will tell.

Tressel never recruited to the level Meyer has, and the Big Ten was lost for most of his tenure. The cupboard was not stocked. Meyer’s first class with limited time (December and January) and he brings in a #5 class. But the 2013 class was the game changer, the Bosa, Elliot, et al. Class. Since then, the worst of Meyer’s was a #7. He set the standard and the rest of the Big Ten has come along. Harbaugh and Franklin are also a part of that conference improvement.

Frost should enjoy his honeymoon. He’s going to realize soon enough this isn’t 1990s Nebraska nor the AAC. He’s definitely not in Kansas anymore.

bronxblue

May 17th, 2018 at 3:17 PM ^

If be "recent" you mean 1 year, sure.  My guess is Nebraska doesn't go undefeated this year and, in all likelihood, looks like a worse version of Frost's first year at UCF.  So does that then mean Harbaugh's resume is then better?  

As for "not bringing them back", Michigan had back-to-back 10-win seasons for the first time since I was at Michigan (2002 and 2003).  He took perhaps the youngest, least-experienced team in the country, lost 2.5 QBs amongst a slew of contributors, and still won 8 games.  And this year's team looks pretty dangerous, possibly even national-level dangerous, if they get solid play from their QB.  So for fucks sake, I'd like to know what is considered "back" for Michigan because this sure feels a hell of a lot better than the last, I don't know, 15 years.

bronxblue

May 17th, 2018 at 3:12 PM ^

People keep up this revisionist history BS about Frost and UCF as if he took over a barren wasteland of a program.  Yes, they had gone 0-12 the year before he arrived, but the three years before that they had gone a combined 31-9 and won the damn Fiesta Bowl.  UCF has been one of the top G5 recruiters for years, and had a reasonably-aged roster.  Frost is a fine coach, but he won a lot of those games with guys who were already on the roster when he showed up and were oftentimes great fits for his offensive philosophy.

Harbaugh took over a Stanford program that hadn't won more than 10 games since 1992 and basically turned them into one of the most consistent winners in college football over the past decade.  Frost might get there at some point, but he ain't close right now.

Scioto

May 17th, 2018 at 5:25 PM ^

Harbaugh turned Stanford into "one of the most consistent winners in college football"?  Really?  He was there four years.  HIs first two seasons had a losing record.  Third, 8-5.  Fourth 12-1.  OK.  Then bolted for the Niners.  David Shaw has turned Stanford into "consistent winners."

stephenrjking

May 17th, 2018 at 1:26 PM ^

I enjoy ribbing Frost about 1997 as much as the next guy, but this is *clears throat* "Fake News."

Responding to a jab from Nick Saban about UCF's claimed national title, Frost offered this, as quoted in the linked article:

Alabama probably has one or two national championships they claim that weren't necessarily recognized by everybody.

This is factually undeniable; Alabama does claim several titles that are, at best, optimistic. This is also, essentially, a statement that says: "UCF's national title is as legitimate as a couple of theirs."

It's not mean or even particularly provocative. He's just responding to Saban here, anyway. I have no problem with Frost and Saban trading jabs, but this isn't much at all.

The Fox Says Hail

May 17th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^

Your right about the fact that this is blown out of proportion. Typical college sports media doing typical college sports media things. I'm glad other people can see through the BS.

However, Alabama's titles that are questionable are coming from an era where there isn't a universal, confirmed idea of what the National Championship game is. There was a good idea of what is was every year, but there wasn't a done deal, this is deinitely it every year. There is a clear cut NC game now and nobody debates it except for Frost/UCF.  IMO on a scale of 1-10 for "your not even close to national champions", UCF is 9 and Alabama's "titles" are a 6/7.

Don't get me wrong though. Frost's antics are only furthering the idea that the playoff needs to be expanded and I'm all for 6-8 team playoffs. 

Chalky White

May 17th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^

That's funny because the whole point of the playoff was to be able to get a team like Boise St a title shot instead of watching them get jumped week after week in the polls in the top five. I don't believe every conference champion show get an automatic bid even if your conference blows either. I'm for taking the top 8 teams regardless of where they fall. Bollocks the conference championship games if that makes it easier.

ijohnb

May 17th, 2018 at 2:39 PM ^

too.  I am not interested in the Playoff right now.  I mean, if Michigan was playing, of course it would be a whole lot different, but just as a big college football fan, something is wrong when I am completely not engaged with the Playoff regardless of who is playing.  It still feels artificial.  In some ways, it now feels more artificial than it did in the BCS era because now there is an illusion that these teams have "played there way in" by doing something special but that is not the case.  When the national champion loses its final regular season game and does not even play in the conference championship game, something is fatally wrong with the sysem. 

autodrip4-1968

May 18th, 2018 at 8:34 AM ^

the Big Ten conference champion is artificial. Fourteen team's. What? If your not competing against every team you can put true championships to rest. You can have the championship game but it's not legitimate.

bronxblue

May 17th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^

Yeah, he's not wrong. Alabama has some of the weirdest national title claims. Like, a couple of them are retroactively based on polls that came out years later. So while I don't like Frost, pointing out how dumb Alabama is will always get my vote.

Ezeh-E

May 17th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^

Frost is taking the Harbaugh pick fights with the big dogs approach. Only issue I've had is him running his mouth after getting worked by us two years ago. I get why he did it to back up his players but it was weak. This, on the other hand, is great