OT: Rules For Hanging A Banner

Submitted by raleighwood on March 30th, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Are there any rules (formal or otherwise) regarding hanging a banner?  For example, if Michigan loses today (very hypothetically), would it be acceptable to hang a "2014 - Elite Eight" banner in Crisler?  I think in general, you need to actually win something (Regular Season, B1G Tournament, NIT, NCAA Regional, National Title) to hang a banner. 

It just seems to me that an Elite Eight is something that should be commemorated.  I don't know if Michigan has much of a history with this.  The 1977 team lost in the regional finals (don't know if it was called "Elite Eight" back then) and I don't think there's a banner for that so the precedence may already be set.  I was just curious to see what the board thinks.

This comes up because I used to live near NC State and they hang a banner for EVERYTHING.  In fact, they'll probably hang a "2014 NCAA 2nd Round" banner because they won the play-in game this year. 

Comments

JClay

March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

I think Michigan has established clear precedence that you have to actually win something to hang a banner. That's not a formal rule from the NCAA. I live near VCU and they hang a banner for every time they've ever made the NCAA tournament, and they have a giant banner announcing that they once finished ranked number six in the AP poll. Michigan standards are, obviously, higher. They will not hang an Elite Eight banner.

Swayze Howell Sheen

March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

Banners should be for real accomplishment. Winning the Big Ten - yes. Winning Big Ten Tourney - yes. Winning NCAA Tourney - yes. Everything else, not so much. Wouldn't mind a single banner to summarize lesser accomplishments, e.g., "NCAA Tournament, Years X,Y,Z" or whatever. 

I frankly hate the celebration of Final Fours, because what other sports congratulate the semifinal competitors so much? It is just dumb. Of course, I may be biased by all the Izzo-related love on this topic. 

Raoul

March 30th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^

Getting to the Final Four is a huge accomplishment and definitely banner-worthy. I'd take getting to the Final Four any year over winning the Big Ten tourney. If you would hang a banner for a conference tourney win, you should definitely hang one for getting to the Final Four.

johnthesavage

March 30th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

But it's not. The Final Four is an event that those teams get to be a part of. It is the championship of the sport, akin to the Super Bowl spread out over three days and three games. Coaches, players, teams are judged on how many times they get to that event; getting there, of course, requires winning a difficult tournament in itself that players and coaches often celebrate by cutting down the nets. There is no equivalent in football. It's just different.

I know it's weird that only in college basketball is a near-miss finish so celebrated. I think it partially has to do with the chaotic nature of the whole single-elimination tournament. Survival here is nothing like what it takes to say, coast through an easy football schedule and finish fourth in the polls.

Billy Ray Valentine

March 30th, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^

This debate makes me wonder if we/others will commemorate reaching the new football playoff "final 4."  I do see a clear distinction between the two, though.  In football, in the years to come, some committee, using a combination of objective and subjective measures, will choose the lucky 4, whereas in basketball, your spot is earned on the court.

 

 

WolverineMac

March 30th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^

I don't know if there is rules but I can see hanging final four banners but not great 8 or elite 8 as it's called now. Just my opinion as it seems if you were a team like Dayton or a smaller conference who rarely sees this vs a school that should have expectations for more.

PeterKlima

March 30th, 2014 at 11:37 AM ^

You can hang a banner to commemorate a 10 point win over a rival if you want to AFAIK.

However, I feel the opposite about the EE. I actually think that there should be no banners for the final four. I think you should hang a banner for winning something, not for coming in third even if it is hard to do.

Should football teams hang a banner or flag outside the stadium for finishing the season third in the polls? What about teams the make the four team playoff? How about finishing second in the conference?

Undefined

March 30th, 2014 at 11:53 AM ^

That's a dumb analogy. What if there were no conferences and all the teams just played whoever they pleased? I guess we shouldn't hang up conference championship banners either, because you can arbitrarily take away the requirements to win.

Undefined

March 30th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^

Sorry, it's still not making sense. If Rutgers or Maryland come in next year and are (Okay this is a bit unrealistic) somehow really good, should they not be able to hang their championship banners because it's their first year? When are you in a conference long enough to hang banners? It's sports, half the accoplishments are based on seemingly meaningless qualifiers, that doesn't make them any less impressive or worthy, though. Especially in this case.

In any case, that's not the point. I guess I don't really see what your problem is with hanging Final Four banners, it's a huge accomplishment for the team and the program. It's really not like Michigan as a program is "above it" either. No team is and there's a reason for that. 

PeterKlima

March 30th, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

You can think that and still not think it is banner worthy. Simple as that. And, there should be no banners for winning the Citrus Bowl or Pinstripe Bowl.

Accomplishment are great. But championships are what are and should be remembered the most and have a special place in the rafters to themselves.

Undefined

March 30th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

It's not equal footing, though. Having a Rose Bowl trophy next to your National Championship trophy isn't taking away from the National Championship at all. The two banners hanging from the rafters don't have to invite comparisons between the two, and in almost all cases they won't.

Billy Ray Valentine

March 30th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^

My reading of your original point was whether winning a region warranted a banner at all.

 

However, I feel the opposite about the EE. I actually think that there should be no banners for the final four. I think you should hang a banner for winning something, not for coming in third even if it is hard to do.

 

 

I tend to agree that national championship banners deserve top billing, but let's not move the goalposts here in our friendly discussion.

johnthesavage

March 30th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

There is no "national runner-up" banner. It's not really about finishing second, it's about qualifying for the championship of the sport. It's surely a bigger accomplishment than winning the Big Ten tournament, for example, and I'd argue it's a bigger accomplishment than winning the Big Ten period.

You keep focusing on the idea that this is just a banner for a high finish. It's not that simple. If it was, last year's banner would be a national runner-up banner, not a Final Four banner. I can understand being opposed to a FF banner but these examples are not comparable.