OT: RR Introductory Zona Press Conference

Submitted by MichTits on November 22nd, 2011 at 2:41 PM

Interesting to see how he is handling his introductory press conference, and if he has learned from any of his PR mistakes in the past. 

Has made me wince a couple times with some of what he says, but overall he's come directly out and addressed the former players to let them know they are all welcome back.  He clearly doesn't know much about UofA tradition, but did say "I'm not just gonna coach Arizona football, I'm going to live it."

Also mentions that he is frustrated to watch all of Michigan's success this year, because he wishes that he was the one coaching them.  He is proud of all of the players though, because he cares about them and they are his guys.

Overall, I think he's doing a fair job.




November 22nd, 2011 at 5:51 PM ^

Jeebus the NCAA stuff is annoying. It's getting mentioned in every article. Why? When you've got coaches getting canned for lying to the NCAA, covering up illegal benefits, and oh yeah looking the other way when you hear about child rape?

Damn, if the worst thing you have on a coach is that his kids stretched for 20 minutes too long on Mondays (even though they didn't exceed 20 hrs for the week), that coach is a freakin' saint.


November 22nd, 2011 at 6:25 PM ^

The fact that Michigan was tagged with a "major violation" is just proof that the NCAA had a really dumb definition of "major violation" that's since been changed.

Basically, RR's staff was guilty of committing a minor (and apparently inadvertent) accounting error against a Byzantine rule set that most coaches don't understand. The violations provided at best a miniscule competitive advantage (much less than St. Saban Memorial, which continues unabated).

I'm not saying RR's absolved, but he's hardly a scofflaw, and acting like that should disqualify him as a coach is silly alarmism by the media.


November 22nd, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^

I hope he succeeds in Arizona.  I personally love the read option offense(see Oregon for an example).  If he can get a good defensive coordinator like Casteel, I see no reason he can't win 8-9 games a season in the Pac 12.


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^

who he gets for his staff.  He mentioned a couple of times that he had 3-4 guys that he's had long ties with from WVU and Michigan, then kind of covered it up by saying "if they accept and come".

I believe all those guys found jobs, so do they leave after a year?  Does Barwis leave after just opening his gym?  Casteel leaving would be very interesting.


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:45 PM ^

I'll bet Barwis goes with him.  An integral part of RR's philosophy is to have the kind of conditioning that will maximize quickness as opposed to size.  Barwis specializes in this.  

It'd be easy for Barwis to maintain ownership of his gym and keep his name on it while delegating the day-to-day operations to a staff, and go with RR to Arizona.  

I would be surprised if this is not what ends up happening.


November 22nd, 2011 at 8:17 PM ^

Not to mention, if I were Barwis I'd be seeing dollar signs. He's got his gym in Michigan, if he can find someone to run it (while still leaving himself available for consultations when needed) 90% of the time and get a job at Arizona, he'd be doing very well for himself.

Good for him, guy is clearly very respected in his profession and he deserves to get paid off his accomplishments (if that is his goal).


November 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^

As far as I know, the only member of his Michigan defensive staff that got promoted was Jay Hopson, who became a DC briefly and is not currently coaching. The rest are still position coaches so Arizona would be a horizontal move back to a familiar situation.

He seems to be certain he had the right formula here and would have won with his staff and this year's players. I suspect he'll try to put that defensive staff together again, maybe with Hopson as his coordinator, or maybe with Hopson back in his old slot and somebody new brought in to "coordinate".

God help him, whoever he is. I hope anyone contacted for the position puts in a call to Scott Shafer before he accepts.


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^

Beat Ohio.

Also, I know RichRod had a lot to deal with here, but this constantly repeated idea that he was put upon and faced tremendous adversity is wearing me out.  I think every chapter of Three and Out contained a quote to the effect of "if they would just leave me alone, I could really make this work."  Maybe it's true that RichRod faced more adversity than your average coach at a big time football program (maybe!), but at a certain point, I think that attitude becomes counter productive.  Not just in football, but in all jobs.  I think that "woe is me" attitude and blame-deflection may have contributed to RichRod's failure here as much as anything else.  (Oh, and a defense that was not fundamentally or schematically sound).

And I'm tired of him expressing his frustration that he can't be the one coaching us to 10 wins this year.  You know what, if RichRod is still here, we don't have 10 wins.  He had 3 years to pick a decent DC and defensive coaching staff.  He had 2 years to teach Will Campbell to keep his butt down and not stand up on the DL.  He had 3 years to teach J.T. Floyd how to cover.  He failed to do that nad failed to hire someone who could.  What makes him think he could find the right person for the job in year 4?

I wish the guy all the best.  I like his offensive scheme, and I think he's a guy that tries in general to do the right thing.  But his constant refrain of not getting a fair shake and wishing he was the one enjoying success in 2011 is really wearing on me.

Beat Ohio.


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^

If I knew, how, I would insert that gif of the guy doing the slow clap.  That, sir, was awesome.  Well said.  Fair and right to the point.  If RR is here, we don't have 10 wins - the defense was never going to improve with him at the helm.


November 22nd, 2011 at 5:57 PM ^


2) Would you rather he not give a damn about how the kids he recruited were doing? Would you rather he say, "yeah that Hoke guy is a way better coach than me". He loved his team and wishes he was there leading them. He thinks he's the best man to lead them. I'd be really worried if he didn't.


November 23rd, 2011 at 12:02 PM ^

1).  Yeah, I meant roughly 10 wins - not that we're going to have 10 wins.  Because that's for the football gods to decide.  (Checks over shoulder, hopes "Beat Ohio" intro and outro appeases football gods).

2).  Totally fair.  I expect him to want the team to win and to follow what they are doing.  And no , I don't expect him to say "Hoke is better, I couldn't have done this."  What bothers me is the "I wasn't treated fairly" attitude.  If he can't talk about Michigan without making excuses (if I had only had a third opportunity to choose a DC), then I think he ought to just avoid the subject.  

Any how, this is turning into more of a rant than I wanted it to be.  Sorry for the borderline flaming.  I'm going to follow my own advice - if I don't have anything nice to say about RichRod, then I just won't discuss him at all.  

Beat Ohio.


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

As a Michigan fan I took offense to Rich Rod saying that he has a five year contract and that he knows the Arizona AD is a great man and will honor the contract.   Really Rich????  Funny,  how Rich Rodriguez had no problem walking out on WVU and had to be taken to court by WVU to get their money that he owed them.   Dave Brandon didn't even hire Rich Rodriguez.   I can't believe this guy is trying to throw Dave Brandon under the bus.  


November 22nd, 2011 at 4:39 PM ^

That is a hell of a quote about RR from Urban Meyer. Anyone idiot that says RR can't coach (which surprinsly you do see a bit here and a lot on other sites) or that his system doesn't work in the B10, or other such drivel, can just think about the quote and STFU. 


November 22nd, 2011 at 5:05 PM ^

Hmmm.  Let's weigh the evidence:

In the "anyone idiot (sic) that says RR can't coach or that his system doesn't work in the B10 . . . can STFU" column, we have a quote.  A quote by Urban Meyer (the new OSU coach, apparently), who has never coached in the B10, and who got his ass handed to him by stodgy old boring Lloyd Carr.

In the column that believes that RR's offense is not well suited to the B10 or that RR is not a great HC, we have:  THE WORST 3 YEARS IN MICHIGAN HISTORY, complete with the worst Michigan defense EVER, GERG, rotating D coordinators, 15 wins in three years, OSU blowouts, a Gator humiliation, team chaos, the worst transition I have ever witnessed (and I have watched cfb for almost 20 years), poor recruiting, 2 straight collapses once we got to the B10 part of the schedule and, wait, a new coach who has taken the identical players and turned them into a top defense AND a balanced, productive offense on the verge of possibly getting 10 wins - gasp, in the first year of a transition.

But, yeah, you do have that quote.


November 22nd, 2011 at 5:57 PM ^

not just a different opinion, but wrong. That's first. Second, Urban Meyer knows more than you about who can coach. Period. There is no other "column." He is right because he knows WAY more than you (and I). Your opinion is talk radio quality--just because it is a fact that Michigan did not go well for him, that doesn't obscure the fact that he can coach. There are many other facts that disagree with your opinion, and for the ultimate rejoinder to your opinion, see Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops. Plus his record at WVA. And his offense here. There is no comparison. Sorry again.


November 22nd, 2011 at 6:09 PM ^

--Discrediting Urban Meyer despite earning 2 national champions in his first 4 years of coaching at Florida.

--Using blanket statements about the team's win-loss record rather than specifics regarding why it was Rodriguez's coaching that led to his win-loss record.

--The false statement that the last 3 years were the worse 3 years ever (you meant "worst 3-year period").

--Mentioning how poor of a recruiter Rodriguez is despite that he shouldn't have needed to start many of his recruits in the first few years of his tenure, and that his recruits are performing well under Mattison/Hoke.

--Never refuting the claim that RR's offense is not well suited to the Big Ten.

--WTF does "team chaos" mean? You mean how he brought the team together so Hoke/Mattison don't have to deal with the transfers he did? Or should Rodriguez have done more to prevent Lloyd Carr's direct undermining of him in his first year?

--Here's something that may surprise you: comparing this year to last year, Hoke's record against common opponents is identical to Rodriguez's record. See, I can make statements that are 100% truth and blanket the underlying cause too. Now, I think Hoke will prove this wrong by beating Ohio State this weekend, but part of the reason why he wins is because Ohio State is in turmoil right now, without last year's coach or quarterback.

If you want to continue this stimulating discussion with me, come join me on MLive.*

*I'm not on MLive.


November 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^

If I remember correctly, Michigan's defenses under Lloyd were torched by spread offenses. Northwestern games come to mind often. How did we do against Oregon in 2007? We gave up 39 points and 624 yards. The game was over by halftime. That's just off the top of my head. As for the Florida game, I seem to remember that it was more that we outscored them than we shut their offense down. Florida scored 30 points for crying out loud.

micheal honcho

November 22nd, 2011 at 5:10 PM ^

Urban Meyer?? The guy who tore up the SEC before Saban showed up? The guy who had carte blanche on recruits of his choice in Florida because at the time he coached Miami & FSU were off the map? The guy who brought us TEBOW? Of course he loves him some RR. He copied his damn playbook and had great success with it until Saban & Miles got up to speed with their systems.

My fondest memory of Urban Meyer is watching Lloyd Carr & company beat his ass & give the NFL a free preview of what Tebow would look like facing a real defense.

Fuck Urban Meyer, he's a buckeye wanna be who coached a team of convicts & talked bad about Michigan, his quotes about anybody don't amount to a hill of shit to me.


November 22nd, 2011 at 6:05 PM ^

Can we stop pretending that Lloyd's last win somehow invalidates everything Urban Meyer did at Florida? Sure, it was a great game and a big win, but a) Michigan should have been in a better bowl (they lost a lot of games that year with banged up starters on offense) and b) Michigan won mostly by being more spread-like.

Urban Meyer can coach. Regardless of anything else you may think about him, dude can coach (so can Saban, who I have no qualms saying is a complete ass).

I think we can beat him, but let's not pretend we'll do that by Lloyd-balling him to death.

Marc 71

November 22nd, 2011 at 4:48 PM ^

That was great stuff.  After reading Three and Out, I agree that RR did get a raw deal from the administration but you're right that he "didn't get it".  He couldn't put any of the ingredients together properly to cook up a defense even though the recipe is obvious to any coach...so he would not have achieved the success Brady Hoke has this year.  But I was in his corner in spite of taking shit from most of my class of '71 mates so I wish him well.


November 22nd, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^

The same old questions arise whenever you see Rich as a head coach talking about the team. Is he about the program and the players or about what Rich can do to further his genius label leading the program?    Huge difference as far as the tone and culture.

That question always spoke to his inability to connect with the players and to get them to really want to win for him. 


November 23rd, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^

Hi, I'm Nate Volk, and I irrationally hate Rich Rodriguez.  To further my hate of him, I make patently false generalizations in order to continually make him look like a total monster.  Oh, and please don't ask me about anything relating to Three & Out, because I didn't read it, mostly because it was purposely slanted in RR's direction and I hate that man with all my being.


November 22nd, 2011 at 5:43 PM ^

I was a Michigan fan. Starting today, I am an Arizona fan.

If you want to know the REAL TRUTH about what happened to the great Rich Rodriguez at Michigan, I highly reccomend reading John U. Bacon's new book, "Three and Out." If you don't have the time, here's a summary (I'll be as brief as possible without leaving important information out):

...It all starts with the coaching search. The first choice of Bill Martin (our former athletic director) and the search committee he assembled was Iowa's Kirk Ferentz. That's who Bo Schembechler said he wanted before he died, and as a result, that's who Lloyd Carr and the rest of the Michigan family wanted (Bo was a very, very powerful man here). So Ferentz was reached out to, he agreed to come, and the papers were ready to be signed. But Mary Sue Coleman (the school president) vetoed the hire. Before she came to Michigan, she was the president at Iowa, and she hated Kirk Ferentz because his players got into so much trouble there. This was the first curveball of the search process; and not including Mary Sue Coleman in the search comittee was the first of many mistakes made by Bill Martin.

...The second choice of Bill Martin and the search committee was L.S.U.'s Les Miles. Miles was reached out to, he agreed to come (after finishing his national championship season), and the papers were ready to be signed. But Lloyd Carr vetoed the hire (I guess he had enough influence to do so). Before he died, for reasons that are still debated (I can explain in detail, if requested), Bo Schembechler made Lloyd Carr promise him that Les Miles would never be the head coach at Michigan. This was the second curveball of the search process; and not including Lloyd Carr in the search committee was the second of many mistakes made by Bill Martin.

...The third choice of Bill Martin and the search committee was Rutgers' Greg Schiano. He was reached out to, he agreed to come, and the papers were ready to be signed. But once Greg Schiano learned that his assistants were actually going to have to take a PAY CUT to come to Michigan, he renegged. This was the third curveball of the search process; and not recognizing the value of assistant coaches was the third of many mistakes made by Bill Martin.

...Bill Martin and the search committee had no idea what to do at this point and couldn't agree on a fourth candidate (Jim Harbaugh was never considered as a real candidate, in either search, due to negative remarks he made about the schools academic policies for athletes). So, Lloyd Carr decided to handle things himself. He wanted to hire Mike DeBord (his offensive coordinator), Ron English (his defensive coordinator), or Brady Hoke (his former assistant head coach). But Bill Martin and the search committee agreed that none of these candidates were high-profile enough. So, Lloyd reached out to a high-profile candidate that Bo Schembechler admired - Rich Rodriguez. Lloyd sold the idea to Bill Martin and the search committee, and the papers were signed.

...Then the real trouble began. There were two major problems. I'll start with the simpler problem. Bill Martin (one of the greatest penny-pinchers in the history of college sports) wouldn't give Rich enough money to lure Jeff Kasteel, his long-time defensive coordinator, away from West Virginia. In fact, Bill Martin wouldn't give Rich enough money to lure any of the defensive coordinators he wanted. So, Rich was instead forced to hire a cheap defensive coordinator he didn't want (Scott Shafer), and then another the next season (Greg Robinson). The results clearly speak for themselves. In contrast, Dave Brandon (our new athletic director) gave Brady Hoke $1,000,000 a season to hire Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Greg Mattison. Those results also clearly speak for themselves.

...Now the more complicated problem. Lloyd Carr (who became our assistant athletic director after he retired as head coach) wanted Rich to retain all of his assistants when he arrived (...to run the spread option!?!?). Rich interviewed all of Lloyd's assistants and decided to retain only one. This INFURIATED Lloyd and the Michigan football family. Lloyd and his friends wanted Rich out before he ever coached a single game. They wanted a "real Michigan man" to be their head coach. So, they went into full-on sabotage mode (I know it sounds crazy, but trust me, it's very, very true).

...Immediately, funding from alumni clubs dropped drastically. NFL alumni started saying their high schools and "Lloyd Carr's Michigan" in their player introductions. Former players across the board publicly ripped Rich in the media. High school coaches that Lloyd and his friends knew started encouraging their players not to go to Michigan. Former players that were in some way connected to recruits started telling them not to go to Michigan. And worst of all, Lloyd's people in the athletic department repeatedly leaked false information to the press...leading to a two year - recruiting class killing - NCAA investigation (which ultimately concluded that Rich wasn't counting 15 minutes of pre-practice stretch time towards the total number of practice hours). Eventually, Lloyd and his friends got their wish. Rich was fired. Brady Hoke was hired.

...Rich Rodriguez had EVERYTHING going against him here. He was completely sabotaged by those he was working for. And he still managed to put together one of the most prolific offenses in the country. Now that his players have an actual defensive coordinator, they're projected to play in a BCS bowl game.


November 22nd, 2011 at 6:10 PM ^

If we did not have a "real defensive coordinator" from 2008-2010, whose fault is that?  I don't understand how people talk about RR like he was our offensive coordinator only.  I mean, if you want to think of him as basically a glorified OC, I don't necessarily disagree - but the fact is, he was accountable for the entire program, not just the offense - and he was very bad at many aspects of running it.






November 22nd, 2011 at 6:18 PM ^

Why is Jeff Casteel apparently the only defensive coordinator in the country that Rich Rodriguez can co-exist with?  Why can't he work with another DC?   If he really can't do so with anyone else, that's a huge problem.



Section 1

November 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 PM ^

How on earth did Brady Hoke get such a reputation for conducting brilliant press conferences?  Brady Hoke may be a good coach, and a good guy.  I have no reason to doubt either one.  But I cannot think of a single brilliant thing that Brady Hoke has done, or said in a press conference. 

On the all-time ranking of coaches who were brilliant in dealing with the press, Brady Hoke must be somewhere around #200.  He is relentlessly good at repeating the customary boring, uninformative, noncommittal, coach-speak truisms.

Where does this business of Brady Hoke blowing everybody away with his press conference appearances come from?