OT: Power 5 Expansion Warming Up?

Submitted by umbig11 on July 27th, 2015 at 6:20 AM

The Big 12 has formed an expansion committee that comprises Gordon E. Gee (WVU), David Boren (Okla), and Ken Starr (Baylor). All three presidents are pro-expansion. It's no coincidence that Gee is leading that committee either. He has the experience from the B1G. Many analysts are expecting them to target Nebraska and BYU and think they will be at 12 or 14 teams by 2017 or 2018. However, I can't see that happening regarding Nebraska as they are hauling in record revenue with the B1G along with an academic windfall that goes with it.

However, a new report came out confirming that Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Kansas and Iowa State sought to join the Big Ten in 2010. As you know, Nebraska was added and the others were either left behind or joined the SEC. The article ends with an interesting sentence:

"If the predictions come true that the clock is ticking on the Big 12 sticking together, remember what we previously reported from two sources at Nebraska the Big Ten has done its "homework'' to evaluate Oklahoma and Kansas as potential members."

If you remember Delaney's comments. The B1G may continue to expand south and/or east with contiguous boundaries and AAU institutions. Oklahoma and Kansas certainly fit that model. David Boren has been outspoken this summer about expansion too. So, will we see another round of expansion soon? Say 2017 or 2018?



big john lives on 67

July 27th, 2015 at 6:35 AM ^

Wonder if the looming Great Unbundling could cause the big conferences to embark on another feeding frenzy to ensure revenue remains unchanged?  Will be interesting to watch, if not disruptive to the results on the field.


July 27th, 2015 at 6:52 AM ^

We know that the PAC 12 Network has not reached its potential yet. The Texas Longhorn Network is not on DirecTV yet and under-performing as well. We all know TV $$$ are the engines behind CFB. Kansas would bring the 31st largest TV market and Oklahoma would bring the 45th largest market. Not barn burners, but I think they bring some of the St Louis market which ranks 21st.

Mr Miggle

July 27th, 2015 at 7:39 AM ^

Kansas and Oklahoma are probably the worst new markets the Big Ten could feasibly add. Oklahoma adds national appeal. Kansas add less than nothing for football.

I'm not seeing any compelling reasons for Big Ten expansion. Any idea that Nebraska is going back to the Big 12 is utter nonsense. It's obvious that the Big 12's only options in expansion are schools not in a major conference.


July 27th, 2015 at 9:12 AM ^

You are terribly wrong.  For some of the carriers it is, it took awhile but eventually charter put B1G on their basic.  However last I checked it is only one channel so if you're not on the primary channel you're SOL.  DirectTV still has it on their third tier in order to get B1G which is why I just cancelled it.  Not paying $80/mo as that's the cheapest package with B1G.

If you're in ILL/East St. Louis it's on the basic package(Illinois in B1G).  I'm screwed by 10 geographic miles or so.

Uverse... isn't even available, hurray monopolies!


July 27th, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^

Uverse isn't in my neighborhood(according to ATT website).  Uverse is in STL, lol.

Charter has it on the basic now(which I said).  However last I looked it was only one channel not the alternatives available.  So if Illinois vs Who Cares, is set to the main channel I'd still miss out on Michigan vs Losing Team(hopefully).


July 27th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^

If the incentive were there to leave the SEC, Vanderbilt could be a potentially good addition to the B1G. It wouldn't be too far-fetched geographically, and Nashville is a relatively large market (29th).

The Mad Hatter

July 27th, 2015 at 8:50 AM ^

the best fit of all of the SEC schools.  Although recent additions to the B1G seem to indicate that the B1G doesn't give a flying fuck about that anymore (if they ever did).

I'd like to see Texas in the B1G.  I'm no fan of that state, but I do like the school.

And as long as we're expanding the conference, let's get rid of the divisions.  I'd like to play Wisconsin more often.


July 27th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^

Vandy is like Northwestern, a small private school but with an awesome baseball team (and thus would never leave the SEC).

Florida is more of a B1G school (and again, would never leave the SEC) in that it is a large, flagship public university.  And it's probably the best public school in the SEC (and the South), certainly by USNWR (which is a pretty flawed ranking system IMHO).

Not sure why you don't like Texas.  Great place...in the Spring and Fall.  Summer is hell on earth.


July 27th, 2015 at 1:49 PM ^

Good academics, could be decent in football, good basketball program.

Plus I live in Nashville so I'd love to have more Michigan sports teams visiting the area.

Nashville is expected to grow by 1 million people in the next 10 years, so their market is growing quite a bit.  It's a city that's not slowing down any time soon.  It is booming here.


July 27th, 2015 at 6:45 AM ^

I don't see Nebraska leaving the B1G to go back to the Big12 at this point. Any team joining the Big 12 has to overlook the tilted field towards Texas and the Longhorn network. Also, IIRC, they don't have any TV network outside that, so Nebraska would be turning down guaranteed B1G network money to be second class to Texas in the league. The Big 12 will have to poach from the smaller conferences for sure.


July 27th, 2015 at 7:36 AM ^

PAC 12 presidents won't take BYU. They could have had them a few years ago but went with Utah instead and when comparing the two institutions as far as fan interest and possible TV dollars BYU beats Utah hands down. The religion as Percy is rumored to be the issue.

Btown Wolverine

July 27th, 2015 at 8:12 AM ^

I don't know if we could take only Oklahoma...I thought Delaney or someone had mentioned in the past that the Big Ten would only take schools in states that are contiguous with the rest of the conference. Which would mean we'd have to take a Kansas school or a Missouri school in order to become contiguous with Oklahoma.


July 27th, 2015 at 10:16 AM ^

The last round of expansion talk it was mentioned that OU and OSU was a package deal.  It makes sense for them to keep that rivalry from their standpoint.  Not sure what the great appeal would be to B1G or Pac12.

Personally, I don't see the Big 12 surviving much longer.  If you get to four major conferences you have an easy four into the playoffs.  Just depends on if the powers that be would rather have the easy in or full on debate for a year about why one team was left out, ie TCU/Baylor last year.


July 27th, 2015 at 6:58 AM ^

Describe Nebraska's "academic windfall." They are still by far the lowest ranked school in the Big Ten by academic standards, and I'm not aware of any evidence that a degree from Nebraska carries more prestige today than it did 10 years ago simply because they joined an athletic conference.


July 27th, 2015 at 7:07 AM ^

The B1G institutions receive federal and state dollars for research of which are significantly greater than other conferences and universities. Of course, Stanford, MIT, Duke and Vanderbilt get their fair share, but collectively the B1G has been ahead of the pack.


July 27th, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^

is that it lifts the perception of NB. I think it would for Oklahoma and KS as well. Obviously Texas is a prize, but I just feel it's a struggle to connect it geographically in anyone's imagination. Interesting cultural and political implications, though. Bet the Texas legislature would resist; dunno if they have to approve. . .

Blue Ninja

July 27th, 2015 at 7:28 AM ^

Nebraska won't go back to BVII, I would bet on it. Remember back to why they left to begin with. Part of it was money, part of it was the academic grants but a HUGE part of it was they were sick of Texas and their bullying of conference members to get the most conference money to Texas. If BVII expands it'll be picking up teams like BYU and Cincinatti. Most of the major players are in conferences that they don't want to leave barring some shake up of a major team leaving a conference.


July 27th, 2015 at 12:15 PM ^

then when many have cut the cord on cable we'll be sitting in the Big House watching perennial doormat Rutgers and we'll think "Did we really f*cking take Rutgers into the Big Ten? That was seriously a thing? We chose to take them?....We could've had Oklahoma? What the f*ck"

814 East U

July 27th, 2015 at 7:43 AM ^

Screw it. Add Pitt, UNC, UVA, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Iowa State. I would really like Mizzou but I highly doubt they leave the SEC unless the BIG pays some of their exit fee or gives them equal BIG revenue sharing immediately (unlike Rutgers and Maryland).