OT-Peyton Manning...might NOT be a good dude.

Submitted by TNBlue1977 on

I had heard rumors about this incident before (including on this board) but never anything in a legitimate news outlet until I saw this article in the NY Daily News this morning. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-cl…

Obviosuly both sides have their own version of events but this is not a good look for Peyton or the Manning family and some of it is pretty disturbing.

I've never been a big fan of Manning because I think he's a phony who smiles for the camera and is probably not the great guy everyone makes him out to be in his off-camera life but this is worse than I thought.

Magnus

February 13th, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^

You're avoiding the topic. I didn't ask if you were her owner. I didn't ask if you would let her go.

I asked if you would be okay with her going. Your avoidance indicates to me that no, you would not be okay with your girlfriend going to a frat party all alone.

Men aren't "rape machines." SOME men struggle to control themselves, especially when in certain environments. This has been proven in many different ways. For example, there was the Stanford study where some student subjects were guards, while other student subjects were prisoners. And despite not being evil people, the students who were "guards" gradually treated the "prisoners" with more and more disrespect because of their perceived position of authority. Context matters.

That doesn't mean it's okay. It means that it's probably a bad idea to put people in bad situations.

Oscar

February 15th, 2016 at 6:59 PM ^

I often do the same thing as you Magnus. I'll ask a question based on an extreme situation just to see what kind of argument I'm getting myself into. When the answer is as BS as SalvatoreQuattro's, I know the argument is not worth my effort.

I won't say I agree with you 100%, but I do get what you are saying. I think all the negs you are getting exemplifies the narrow-mindedness of this board sometimes.

For the record, I wouldn't stop my daughter/wife/whatever from going to your frat party example. But I would definitely have a problem with it.

jonvalk

February 13th, 2016 at 2:36 PM ^

100%. In fact, if you read the timeline, the "incident" was predicated by an earlier incident that left Manning pissed off at the trainer. To me, that reeks of "I'm going to show you who's boss here" when he finally assaults her. He knew what rules he was playing by and those rules dictate that a football superstar gets God-like treatment in collegiate football and the repercussions would be minimal at best. What he didn't bank on was that the trainer would actually stand up for herself.




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DavidP814

February 13th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^

I've been examined by female trainers many times in my (now long ago) athletic career.  I've been examined by female doctors.  At no time, in all the years of going through physical examinations by women, have I had the urge to purposefully thrust my genatalia into their face.  Maybe I never felt the surge of testosterone that a possible stress fracture of the foot can induce, but this is something I would never even consider doing.  I'd guess that close to 100% of MGoBloggers would never do anything like this either.

This argument that females shouldn't be trainers is also ridiculous.  My mother is a physician. She never experienced much in the way of misogyny, but there are not many female doctors older than my mother because for of this same "the hospital is no place for a woman" logic.

Magnus, you provide great free content and I love 95% of your posts.  But this one is very poor.  And your attempt at an analogy between a female trainer in a professional setting and a single woman going alone to a frat party is just--an unintelligent argument.

As Mark Jackson would say to JVG, "Come on Coach, you're better than this!"

WestQuad

February 14th, 2016 at 7:45 AM ^

Exactly.  Murderers are jerks who lack morals/control/judgement and should be in prison.  I don't think Manning should be in jail, but as a 20 year old he lacked morals/control/judgement.  His doubling down on his defense speaks to how much he has changed.

This was all public back in [98] or so and I remember the story and thought it was a poor choice for the media to elect him as their darling.  That is an additional reason why it has been great that Tom Brady has been so awesome and Woodson won the Heisman.  I never liked Manning because of this.

 

 I guess the court documents are new and caused this to errupt here and on FB.  

Magnus

February 13th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

There's nothing to disagree with when it comes to hormones. Should our brains be able to overpower our hormones? Sure. Do they always succeed? No. It's a fact of life. It goes both ways. You can talk logic to a hormonal female, too, but sometimes hormones trump logic. Humans realized this centuries ago.

The key is to minimize the situations in which that is allowed to become a problem.

Honk if Ufer M…

February 14th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

While you're at it, blacks should be kept out of white neighborhoods, white schools, white businesses, white water fountains and white everything, that way we could eliminate all acts of racism, abuse and violence from whites who can't control themselves. In fact if all blacks were kept in prison it would protect all good white folks from any possible black crime and protect white people from their uncontrollable urge to fuck over black people. Why didn't anyone think of that great solution before...... oh, wait... er... uh...

Listen, you should put yourself forward to become Trump's running mate, or maybe you can head the new cabinet post in the Rape Prevention Department with a plan for putting all women and girls on reservations or in FEMA camps for their own protection because whose great idea was it to mix females and men in this testosterone dominated society anyway? Don't put them in harms way!

In fact, why not really protect them with solitary confinement from cradle to grave? Just put glory holes in every cell so that men can still be serviced.

Why, you're going to get us "our" country back! Back to when men were men, women were men's property and nigra's were slaves and beating them all were your shows of love and affection. It always feels like a kiss.

bacon1431

February 13th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

He is 100% in the wrong for his actions. The institution is wrong for not holding him accountable. 

Just because it may not have happened if a female wasn't in the training room doesn't make it okay or give an excuse to withhold all the blame from Manning. 

bacon1431

February 13th, 2016 at 1:10 PM ^

Female trainers should be safe. No matter how badly they are outnumbered by men. The blame is 100% on Peyton Manning for being an asshole with his actions. The blame is also on the Tennessee football program and university for not holding him accountable for his asshole behavior. If he had been punished appropriately and other institutions and teams did the same, maybe it'd be a safer environment. The answer isn't to close women off to an entire job market. The answer is to address inappropriate behaviors and punish them when necessary. 

grumbler

February 14th, 2016 at 6:39 PM ^

Crime DOES happen.  That doesn't mean that it is partially the fault of the victim, because they shouldn't have the expectation of the protection of the law enforcement and justice system.  What DOES happen, I agree, is that college administrators engage in a criminal conspiracy to protect their star athletes from the consequences of their actions.  Some argue that it doesn't matter that they SHOULD not engage in criminal behavior, because all that matter is that they DO.  People who argue that don't understand how societies work.

Honk if Ufer M…

February 14th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^

You're right about that, the blame can go to Manning, his father, the football staff, the athletic department and a bunch of other assholes in society who help enable and perpetuate this shit with their ignorant & idiotic caveman attitudes.

Honk if Ufer M…

February 14th, 2016 at 2:35 PM ^

You know there are probably always gay men in every football locker room, so in order to prevent the possibility that they would do to Manning and Magnus what Manning did to Dr. Jamie, because, you know, hormones, all straight men should be kept out of locker rooms along with women, just to avoid all potential problems. I'm glad you're helping us get to the bottom of all this Mags, thanks!