OT: Pat Fitzgerald Urges Against Union

Submitted by Bodogblog on

Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald has come out against the union, and is urging his players to vote no April 25th.  He had been silent since the issue began, and I assumed this meant he tacitly supported the effort.  He does not. 

Perhaps this board is tired of the debate, and no more may be necessary here, but from a football standpoint this seems a serious distraction.  In the ESPN article there are quotes from QB Trevor Siemian and RB Venric Mark indicating they oppose the union, as well as senior center Brandon Vitabile.  Division between a head coach and some of his players, versus a former QB and other of his players, on any issue, seems only likely to disrupt a common goal.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out.  

http://espn.go.com/chicago/college-football/story/_/id/10734087/pat-fit…

 

 

MGoGrendel

April 5th, 2014 at 9:38 PM ^

management will make the argument to workers that voting for a union would be bad for both the workers and the company. I don't have any issue with Pat making his case. He may just influence some kids to change their minds.

Farnn

April 5th, 2014 at 9:58 PM ^

Would it be a violation if NU decided to give players free football related health care for life after they couldn't play anymore?  And signed a contract outside the NCAA LOI guaranteeing a 4 year scholarship?  Then push for the cost of living scholarship money increase and they have met all of the players' demands.

 

And if free lifetime related healthcare after playing was against NCAA rules I'd love to see them implement it and dare the NCAA to stop them in the current culture of worry over football injuries.

SWPro

April 6th, 2014 at 10:40 AM ^

My understanding of "the rules" boils down to this: a student athlete cannot receive a benefit related to their status as an athlete that a non-athlete student could not receive.

 

If you open up something that is "lifetime insurance covering any injury from when you are in college for free" every half-way intelligent person in college would sign up for it because why wouldn't they?

 

If you open up "student athletes get lifetime insurance covering any injury related to their sport for free" then they are getting some the normal student can't get and are getting it only because they play a sport.

 

My understanding anyway. Could be wrong.

Yeoman

April 6th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

What if it were made available to any student-athlete at the school playing intervollegiately in any sport whatsoever? Scholarship or non-scholarship, varsity or club?

If that doesn't go far enough, how about covering injuries suffered in intramural athletics as well?

That wouldn't change things all that much in practice because with few exceptions it's the scholarship athletes in the revenue sports that stand to lose future earnings when they get hurt. But it would make the benefit available to all, wouldn't it?

SWPro

April 6th, 2014 at 7:14 PM ^

I personally am all for covering injuries related to playing sports so I don't really have a solution outside of that.

 

If we want to keep the "no benefit a non-athlete student can have" idea of the rule it becomes how much burden should we expect the schools to cover.

 

Revenue players = 100-150/year?

Non revenue players = 800-900/year?

Club/varsity = 1000s/year?

 

Obviously the universities, espeically the smaller ones, are going are going to either 1) fight each step due to cost or 2) cut club/non-revenue sports. 

 

I don't really like 1 or 2.

NFG

April 5th, 2014 at 10:15 PM ^

It's about time. It's weird because my generation (I'm 27) is so entitled, but if a schools agrees that you can go there for free as long as you play a sport there, it's an agreement. Like I tell my co-workers, you have an agreement with my employer, you come to work, and they'll pay you.

NFG

April 5th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^

Well, having being currently employed by a fortune 100 company in a factory setting, I can tell you that collective bargaining at my high level is more concerned with getting their poor performers out of discipline and not any where near safety, OSHA standards or better wages or benefits. With football, what NU has created is so counter intuitive. It's like soldiers or marines wanting to unionize due to conflict related injuries. It just isn't comprehensible.

Lancer

April 6th, 2014 at 1:58 AM ^

I think he means terms laid out in employment legislation that sets the minimum standrads for health/safety and compensation. These minimum standards are a basis for a collective agreement. That is how it is in Canada at least :P 

LSAClassOf2000

April 6th, 2014 at 6:55 AM ^

As someone who manages represented employees and himself came from those ranks, I don't know if you can say  this as if it were universally true. Perhaps it is simply where you work or what end of the business you're part of, but from my own experience, we have represented employees that are leading safety, engineering and other initiatives and are happy to do it - we're happy that they are that engaged too. I deal with the same issues you do perhaps when it comes to labor relations, but I think you might be describing cultural issues endemic to your neck of the woods, not something that is true of the represented workforce everywhere. 

Kilgore Trout

April 5th, 2014 at 11:14 PM ^

I feel like I'm always saying the same thing here, but to me the difference is that as a regular employee, you can negotiate your conditions of employment. Pro bound football players are barred from the nfl for three years and have no other reasonable option to get to the nfl. If the players had a say in the arrangement then a union wouldn't be necessary.

vablue

April 6th, 2014 at 12:36 AM ^

How much different is this from a normal student that needs a degree to get a job. I was doing a co-op job and was as good at it as any of the full time staff, but I could not be hired full time until I had my degree. I also could not negotiate salary for my co-op job. This is how the world works and how you gain experience.

Kilgore Trout

April 6th, 2014 at 7:34 AM ^

I think that's too simple. If you were good enough, you could have seen which coop out there had the best pay and benefits. It's been 15 years since I was in college, but there were stark differences between interning with Medtronic and doing work with a lab on campus. And, if you're good enough, you can always strike it out on your own before you get a degree (like most of the biggest tech guys of the last 30 years).

It's also different for the top end students when they come out of high school. They can see which school is offering the best aid packages and scholarships. Football players are currently forced to accept the prearranged deal that the NCAA has set up.

SWPro

April 6th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^

And how is the 3 year ban from the NFL a NCAA issue?

 

If someone can convince that is the case I will totally be on board. Otherwise your compensation is your college education which has quite the value associated with it.

SituationSoap

April 6th, 2014 at 12:56 AM ^

Forming a union is...not entitlement. I'm not even sure how you could reach that conclusion. Forming a union is leveling the playing field between individual workers, who have very little bargaining power and management, which has a great deal of bargaining power. It also provides a significant increase in quality of work life for every other employee within a city with a major employment union due to the competition for workers with the union shop. 

SWPro

April 6th, 2014 at 10:49 AM ^

i'm sorry. i'm confused. do you currently anything of vaule to add to this coversation? because if not i cannot for the life of me figure out why you have such a strong need to comment about something that you are not a part of.

 

Saying the only people who are allowed to have an opinion are athletes and the schools is silly. We are after all on a discussion board where people are going to, oh I don't know, discuss their opinions?

mackbru

April 5th, 2014 at 10:45 PM ^

No, actually not:

above the fray
not involved in a particular argument The president will try to stay above the political fray.
Usage notes: often used with stay, keep, or remain: He's remarkably good at remaining above the fray at the office.
See also: above, fray
Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.

Bodogblog

April 5th, 2014 at 11:05 PM ^

I think it puts an awkward feel in the locker room.  Especially with players also taking sides.  Again, difficult to see how this doesn't lead to distraction. 

Reading the comments section - always a dicey decision on ESPN, as with many sites - the most upvoted said "company man says don't vote against company".  It probably should have been expected 

SWPro

April 6th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^

Current players have a lot more to risk than alums. If this goes the way of the NCAA taking action they can declare Colter inelligible. Basically little risk for him since he has already played out all his years.

 

If that happens with current players the NCAA could threaten to rule them inelligible which could impact their status at NW. Its extremely unlikely the NCAA would do this because of the media backlash that would come with it but it protects the current players nontheless.

xxxxNateDaGreat

April 5th, 2014 at 10:46 PM ^

"Division between a head coach and some of his players, versus a former QB and other of his players, on any issue, seems only likely to disrupt a common goal."

I'm curious to hear what the common goal is that everyone involved is trying to achieve? Sounds like two sides who want the exact opposite to me.