OT - OSU to hire QB Coach Ryan Day and OC Kevin Wilson
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
Wilson is a solid hire, though somewhat inconsistent with Meyer's offensive philosophy. Day, on the other hand, coached Sam Bradford to the worst QBR of his career.
Also, it will be interesting to see how the dynamic works with three former head coaches and only three defensive coaches. Very unusual staff.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:16 PM ^
Day is no sure thing - but if you look at Tom Herman's track record record as an OC at Iowa State before OSU hired him you would not be saying "wow, that guy is going to coach Texas in 5 years".
Meyer more than often hits on his assistant coaches just like Harbaugh does. That is part and parcel being a great coach - seeing the talent in others. No one is going to get 100% right; he has an experienced guy in Wilson now, and he can take a chance with a Day type.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^
Yeah, it might work out, but on paper it's a bad hire. Day's four QBs threw for 65 TDs and committed 57 turnovers. Woof.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^
"Meyer more than often hits on his assistant coaches"
January 3rd, 2017 at 9:09 PM ^
He didn't hit on Tim Beck.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^
will look at Urban's offense and see how it stalled at key points this year, despite the talent they have. Wilson will probably help Meyer add more passing elements to his offense so JT can short arm higher percetange passes.
January 4th, 2017 at 1:28 AM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:09 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
Every team is expected to be permitted to add a coach following the anticipated adoption of a new rule allowing it later this month.
http://footballscoop.com/news/fbs-programs-will-use-10th-assistant-coac…
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:54 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:13 PM ^
Yay!
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:09 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:10 PM ^
Where are these rumblings?
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:15 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:17 PM ^
What message board?
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:59 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:17 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
Ryan Day makes sense. He is 37 and protege of Chip Kelly. He is not sure thing but I was shocked people were really fearing a coach 99% of college football progams would kill for as a HC would go be a coordinator at OSU? Boggling. So you take the young protege version of him and see if he is the real deal.
I know OSU has low morals but I am shocked they would give Kevin Wilson the keys to the house after the "alleged" reasons he was let go at Indiana. I know Harbs doesn't negative recruit and I'm sure kids will still flock there by the dozens but man that's going to be a tough one to explain to moms...
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
A huge public university, even one with an insane, forgive everything, fan base, is going to have problems hiring someone who (allegedly) abused players. There would be a shit storm of huge proportions that would give Urban serious heart palpitations he does not need.
Unless Wilson has been cleared (which I don't believe he has), I can't imagine any major program will hire him. This isn't the Woody Hayes / Bobby Knight-era anymore.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:31 PM ^
I was listening to Bomani Jones on the radio and when this Kevin Wilson stuff broke a former Indiana player (his name escapes me but he was an olinemen a few years back) called in and touched on the subject. Said he was surprised this hadn't happened sooner. Said something to the extent of he was legitimately hurt and Kevin Wilson and the doctors essentially forced him to play weekly. If he didn't play he was threatened with losing his scholarship.
I don't remember it all word for word but it helped me shift from 'why did they fire dude' to 'oh, wow, that's why.'
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:36 PM ^
At Indiana football, you can do that stuff and get canned, but it goes away. It doesn't affect much beyond a very regional fan base and the Big Ten Network.
But that same person at OSU football? That program is cared about (one way or the other) by literally millions of people and is key for ESPN, ABC, etc.
The stories that would come out would be legion. Urban does not need that drama. He can find a good OC somewhere else.
Thus, why I would be shocked if it happens.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:10 PM ^
And that is why I hope Meyer makes the mistake of hiring Wilson as OC or co-OC.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:10 PM ^
And that is why I hope Meyer makes the mistake of hiring Wilson as OC or co-OC.
January 3rd, 2017 at 6:20 PM ^
You know, you are talking about a university and fan base that still worship Woody Hayes decades after he was fired for punching an opposing player after he made an interception.... The outcry will ONLY come if they start losing games.
There was no real outcry after they hired Sciano and he was named in the Sandusky trial, there will be no outcry here either.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:11 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:28 PM ^
It's Meyer's offense. His OCs historically haven't had much autonomy and I don't think that changes. Though given Wilson's hotheaded personality, I suppose we could see some flareups.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:32 PM ^
What's the point of bringing in Wilson then?
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:40 PM ^
Gotta hire somebody. And it's superficially a solid hire, aside from the player-abuse baggage Wilson carries. Their fanbase is out for blood after the Clemson debacle and it gives the appearance of change (though this move was apparently in the works before the bowl season even started).
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:01 PM ^
rental car bus at the Columbus airport:
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:32 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:36 PM ^
Get some new ideas about the passing game or new wrinkles for the run game, if Meyer can make it work, I think it's a really powerful thing to see what about Wilson's philosophy can be adapted and used.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:51 PM ^
Re: the passing game. You still need a QB to hit those throws even if the scheme is there. Do they have anyone on their roster that can do that? I honestly don't know the skill set of their QB's outside of probably decent runners since that's what Urbz prefers.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:32 PM ^
Sadly they do/will in Tate Martell.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:08 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:18 PM ^
Meyer thinks Haskins is going to be a better passer or the next Deshaun Watson.
Runnng Haskins 25 times per game on read options is probably not going to work. Maybe he thinks Wilson can bring new elements to his offense.
If it happens it only makes sense is Wilson is hired as an analyst with no contact with players. Meyer could get Wilson's concepts wihout the baggage.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
While they run a spread offense, it doesn't seem to be all that fast. Wilson's offense is just all over the place.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:12 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:13 PM ^
Urban talked to Chip Kelly, but Kelly wants to sit out and be a consultant. Kelly then recommended Ryan Day.
Kevin Wilson may be an "analyst" of some sort, similar to how Bama stashed Steve Sarkisian after his alcoholic meltdown at SC.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:18 PM ^
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:14 PM ^
Jim needs to land a damn good passing game/offensive coordinator. Not so sure that Roman is the man to do it. No offense to Drevs also but maybe he should accept the sidekick role as there are damn good guys out there that Michigan can afford I would think. Need to make a better hire than the buckeyes.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:17 PM ^
Honestly, this makes little sense if the Wilson part is true. His offensive philosophy is inconsistant with what Meyer has run for the last 10 years. If you want to run a Wilson offense it requires a offensive system overhaul and moves far away from the power spread run and toward air-raid. Honestly, it's just weird that Meyer would do that for an offense that is not in anyway fundementally broken. Could it use tweaks a better QB coach? Sure, so the Day hire makes total sense. But bringing in a new OC, even if his offense were high powered doesn't just translate to $$ everywhere, like we even saw with Brown. There are still always transistion costs and the marginal benefit to an already very good OSU offense seems small.
But hasn't a bunch of the problems been attributed to poor communication amoung the offensive staff? And now you put in another co-oc (on top of the HC) who is also a QB and OL coach in the past and then double up on those position coaching? And the leave the defense staff down to three guys? Unless they're planning on letting go another offensive assistant, this doesn't make much sense. But we won't find that out until after signing day
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:24 PM ^
But we stopped it cold this year (and you just saw what Clemson did to it). Maybe Meyer thinks it's time to change and evolve it a bit.
That's what great leaders do.
/and now I need to take a shower
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:29 PM ^
Of course you always want to evolve. But going to a Wilson-esque air raid is quite the change. I don't know, you go up against good teams, you don't do as well. Should Washington sweep it's offensive staff because it got crushed by Bama? I don't know, it's whatever I suppose. Getting Wilson as an offensive analyst would be a good idea, but jamming another offensive guy into their staff just seems weird to me and doesn't solve the actual problems. I think Meyer is chasing that three game streak in 2014 where they got hot and Hermann was on his game.
January 3rd, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^
Wilson is not as odd fit as it seems. Many people think of him as the air raid guy, but he likes to use the power spread run if possible. Remeber what he did to MIchigan's D last year with Jordan Howard? If I remember correctly, he has sent at least two RB's to the NFL recently. His QB's throw the ball a lot because they are often down and trying to come back because of the overall talent level at Indiana.
Other than the alleged player abuse issue at IU (which I think is a big thing) this seems like a good hire for OSU. They get a guy who knows the power spread but also brings better passing game theory and routes.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:24 PM ^
his QBs threw the ball a ton at OU, and OU wasn't trailing in too many games when he was the OC.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:56 PM ^
I looked up OU's stats from 2002 - 2010. Wilson was co-OC and run game coordinator from 2002 - 2005. From 2005 - 2010 he was full OC. Most years OU was very balanced. There were a couple years which were heavily pass focused (those years featured very good QB's including Sam Bradford and Landry Jones). During his time he had Adrian Peterson and Demarco Murray. He had a 1000 yard rusher all but a few years and often had a second back between 500 - 700 yards. One year he had two 1000 yard rushers.
Here's a link: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oklahoma/2002.html
You can click successive years.