OT - Official Post-Game Red Wings Discussion

Submitted by Geaux_Blue on May 9th, 2010 at 12:37 AM

Please keep all meltdowns within this topic. All theories, complaints, congratulations, etc go here.


the_big_house 500th

May 9th, 2010 at 12:44 AM ^

Jimmy Howard. I hope this man starts for the US in the World Championship this summer in Germany. I didn't like the result but hey it just wasn't our year. Here's to 2011 for another playoff appearance we have a streak to keep alive! Go Wings for life!


May 9th, 2010 at 12:45 AM ^

I got a bottle of mission street blonde ale from trader joes.  really good beer actually, and only 6 bucks for a sixer.


what are the rest of yall drinking to deal with the pain?

Blue in Yarmouth

May 10th, 2010 at 7:52 AM ^

I don't see why you get negged like this for having a different opinion but I do disagree with you. The fact that he didn't score on the shot doesn't change the fact that it was a bad call, which was the posters complaint.

Full disclosure, I didn't watch the game so I have no idea if the call was bad or not but if the complaint was "it was a bad call" the fact that the guy didn't score on the penalty shot doesn't change that....at least not IMHE.


May 9th, 2010 at 12:48 AM ^

wouldn't be the best hockey franchise in history if they never faced adversity. Its nice to see that in an off year we still advance past the first round of the playoffs.


May 9th, 2010 at 7:17 AM ^

Unhappy, Yes. Crushed, No.

I was just thinking that just about the most prolific playoff scorer ever (maybe a slight exaggeration) missed 60 games with an ACL reconstruction. To put that into perspective, 5-10 years ago an ACL recon took a professional athlete out for 12-14 months. Mule came back in 5. He wasn't 100%. Most of the team wasn't. They missed over 4 seasons worth of man-games due to injury this year and were led into the playoffs by a rookie goalie. Their youngsters got some experience and they will have a little more summer to heal up from the continuous grind of the last 2+ years. 

In the future....

Howard will get better. He let in some soft goals this year.

Lidstrom will take a pay cut, enough of one to bring back Hudler to replace Williams. 

They will bring up a 6'3" D who supposedly is a little rougher than anyone else on the team .They could bring up a forward whose speed will be second only to Helm's on the team (Mursak) and/or another skill/energy player in Ritola.

The only question in my mind is that if they need more cap space, where do they go? Anyone have any thoughts on a moderately tenured veteran who may have underperformed this year in the face of overwhelming need? Other than Bert? (I don't think he did that poorly for $1.5M, personally)

Williams is obviously gone. Hudler is in. Lidstrom takes a pay cut. I think Ritola comes up or gets let go. He's out of protected years in the AHL, I believe. Maltby goes to the AHL on a 2-way contract.  Does anyone see any other roster change? I just can't see it d/t salary cap limitations. Would like to see someone a little rougher come in again. 

Blue in Yarmouth

May 10th, 2010 at 8:01 AM ^

I don't mean to be a jerk but that statement is a bit delusional don't you think? To even suggest that they are the best francise in the history of the sport when the Montreal Canadiens have more than double the number of Stanley Cups to their credit is ludicrous.

I understand they are your favorite team, and when they lose it hurts but people's credibility goes straight out of the window when they make absurd homerish remarks like that. They are a great team and will absolutely be back in the mix next year, hang your hat on that. Don't make things up to make yourself feel better, there is enough good things about the Red Wings to get excited about without doing that.

Mitch Cumstein

May 9th, 2010 at 12:54 AM ^

I can't complain in a year I knew would be an off year going to the 2nd round with a rookie goalie.  Tough series to lose, losing 4 games by 1 goal, but they were a better team.  We will retool, cut some lard and come back next year ready to dominate.  Our guys need somewhat of a break too.  Hopefully this early exit accomplishes that.


May 9th, 2010 at 12:59 AM ^

Most cities would be ecstatic to have their teams lose to the #1 seeds in the conference semis. Ah the problems with being a Red Wings fan...

If I had one complaint, it would be that Bertuzzi needs to take a hike. I would rather have a 6-3 240 lb enforcer than a shitty winger (who can't even handle the puck or shoot well) taking up a scorer's spot. If you think I'm taking it really hard, it's because I live in SJ and I have to hear about the Sharks for the next year.

Hey on the bright side, we outscored the Sharks 17-15 this series!

Oscar Goldman

May 9th, 2010 at 1:04 AM ^

with a frustrating but not unexpected ending.  Howard was, surprisingly to me, a revelation.  The team was very good when healthy as well.  I do think they need a bit more youth though, particularly in the D. 

Mr. Robot

May 9th, 2010 at 1:12 AM ^

Say what you want about making game-losing mistakes or plays in general, but yet again, it happens on the resulting play of dispicible officiaiting. No dfferent than the 2006 football season really. Just because Ohio State and us got got beat bad in our bowl games doesn't excuse the fact that immensly unjust subjectivity on the part of human polling is what caused those match-ups in the first place.

Not that I'm surprised by things like this anymore. I'm a Michigan fan and a Red Wings fan, after all. That still doesn't make it suck any less. But at least I have shaved my hideous beard now, and I can take comfort that we didn't get screwed, nor are we likely ever to be, as hard as Michigan was in the tournament this year. If I ever meet that referee, he's going to need hearing aids when I'm done with him.

Maybe one of these days I will be given the off-season closure of a series in which I can honestly say we were beat fair and square. No uncalled blatant and intentional cheap shots, no bogus penalty shots, etc. You can never expect the officiating to be perfect, but maybe one day we'll lose a series where it didn't potentially cost us the cup.


May 9th, 2010 at 1:10 AM ^

fuck Murray with a 10 foot pool up his anus. dirty shit like that is why the league is attempting to ban head hunting. 

oh, i shaved my beard...my wife won't let me keep the mustache :-(


May 9th, 2010 at 1:17 AM ^

I had a really good full mustache. It was the best part of my beard. Oh well. I will start growing it in August before the season.  My wife doesn't like the mustache because I look too much like my Dad and it freaks her out. 


May 9th, 2010 at 1:30 AM ^

I think the Red Wings should sign Mathew Lombardi which would add some more speed to that lineup. And as mentioned above, they need a big guy who can scrap it up since both Bertuzzi and Holmstrom are unrestricted free agents.

Any other thoughts?

The Other Brian

May 9th, 2010 at 7:50 AM ^

I'm a big fan of Lombardi, he's got competent offensive skill, he's blazing fast, kills penalties, is young (under 30). Not sure how it could happen though. With Helm, Abdelkader, Miller and Eaves due up for re-signing, Hudler coming back, and Ritola being out of options and having to be resigned as well, there's logjam when it comes to forwards. And Phoenix might resign Lombardi anyway.

Looking at the lines for next year...something is gonna have to give.

Holmstrom (if he doesn't retire) - Datsyuk - Franzen

Filppula - Zetterberg - Bertuzzi (like I said, I believe he'll be back)

Hudler - Miller - Cleary

Eaves - Helm - Abdelkader

Have to assume they'll resign Ritola; what about Draper? Do they nudge him toward retirement? Or do they decide to let some combination of Miller/Eaves/Bertuzzi go and use that money to go after somebody like a Matthew Lombardi?

As for the defense...assuming Lidstrom comes back, the top four remain the same, it's the bottom pair that gets murky. Lilja, Lebda and Meech are all FAs. Meech seems like a lock to be gone. Lebda, who knows. I don't think anybody would miss him, but who knows what Holland's thinking. Lilja, I still say he needs to be back for his value on the PK. And then you've got Kindl, one of the prize prospects in the organization, he's out of options too and has to be up with the NHL club next year.

Lidstrom - Rafalski

Kronwall - Stuart

Lilja - Ericsson/Lebda/Kindl?

Of course, all bets are off if Lidstrom retires, that's over 7 million dollars for the Wings to spend however they please. It won't be QUITE that much, since some of it would be used to bring Hudler back in and maybe a bump in pay to some of our FAs...but the entire thing gets tossed on its side if #5 retires.

Verrrrrrrrrry interesting offseason coming up.


May 9th, 2010 at 2:38 AM ^

You guys who think Bert needs to go needs to think again. He had a pretty good darn year, and when all the injuries happend he stepped up during the season. And he didn't have a horrible playoff either. The penalties he was called for were marginal at best. Look at the one tonight. That was a horrible call. I believe he wants to be here next year as does Holland, and he'll come back at a cap friendly number. Williams is gone for sure. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Maltby. I think he'll have to have a 2 way contract or something to be with the team. I'd have to believe they'll re-sign Eaves and Miller. A lot will have to do on what Lidstrom does. I think he'll give it 2 more tries to see if he can go out on top. If he takes an Yzerman like contract, 1 mil a season, or something close to that, it will give Holland a bunch of room to work his magic. And if Lids wants to win 1 more cup I think he may take a million dollar contract.

What do they do in goal? Obviously Howard is their starter. He had an up and down playoff, but he sure did have a good night tonight. Osgood is signed until 2011, but do they bring in someone else. Are they still confident in Osgood. I see him playing 30 games next year, but is he up to the task? It'll be an interesting off season for sure, and to be honest, one that the Wings truely deserve. 4 seasons in 3 years is a lot of hockey.


May 9th, 2010 at 7:28 AM ^

I concur about Bert. And the fact WIllimas hasn't played in 10? games while Ritola saw the ice is proof of that.

The only person in goal they'll bring up would be Larsson. And they aren't going to bring him up to ride the bench. He and McCollum need to play more, not sit without playing. 


Edit:  capgeek.com and redwingscentral.com prospects list are a couple good places to get ideas about what the wings would need/be able to do. I like redwingscentral better than hockeysfuture


The Other Brian

May 9th, 2010 at 2:56 AM ^

I don't think you're going to see Bertuzzi go anywhere. He wanted to stay after 2007, but the Ducks offered him enough to get him to go. He's three years older now, and nobody's going to offer him a ton of cash on the open market. He really likes it in Detroit, and Holland is fond of him. That and, as ominous as it is to say, he's the nuclear deterrant.

I don't think the Wings will be active on the market, personally. Mostly because they won't be able to. All bets are off if Lidstrom retires, obviously, but my guess is Lidstrom comes back for one more year and takes a paycut so the Wings can fit Hudler's salary in and re-sign the guys they want. Abdelkader and Helm are locks to be re-signed, Homer is too if he wants to come back. Ritola and Kindl have to be up with the NHL club next year, and I really hope Miller and Eaves are back, they were awesome for us this year.

Like I said though, that all gets thrown into flux if Lidstrom decides to hang em up. Big void at the top of the defense that would have to be addressed.


May 9th, 2010 at 3:06 AM ^

Losing all 4 games by one goal. A few bounces the other way and the Wings sweep or at the very least are much more competitive in the series. Luck is a cruel mistress I guess. Ah well, looking forward to football.......


May 9th, 2010 at 3:34 AM ^

I agree with the youth movement on D.  I don't know what the Draft looks like, but I feel like we need to add some scoring punch to complement Z, Pavs, and Mule.

It was a tough way to go out, we could've packed it in mid-season.  That resilience tells you a lot about this great franchise.


May 9th, 2010 at 7:31 AM ^

My hat is off the the Sharks; they played a great series and perhaps their guys and goalie have learned from the past couple years of defeat and are ready to win it all. I do think they were the hungrier team. The Red Wings have nothing to be ashamed about, a couple breaks here and there -or perhaps no break, as in Lidstrom's stick which led to the odd man rush and goal in game two- and we could well be the team moving on. Do changes need to be made? Nick isn't getting any younger, and perhaps some of the guys could be upgraded, but I'm willing to bet the Wings will be ready to be back in the playoffs when the puck drops next year.


May 9th, 2010 at 8:04 AM ^

It was a tough series, but this team probably needed the rest and will benefit from being out-worked by a team that probably wanted it a bit more.  The Wings have played 303 regular+post season games the last three years, plus 10 or so Olympic games.  This team needs to have any extra month to recover and refocus, and I fully expect them to come  back  next year on a tear.


May 9th, 2010 at 9:07 AM ^

not lost in Hockeytown. We have the best front office in the NHL and they will be able to navigate the offseason just fine.


  I believe the Red Wings will be back next year better than they were this year due to the time off to heal and rest and with what Holland, Nill and Yzerman can do to tweak the roster in the offseason.


  Let's Go Red Wings!!