November 3rd, 2013 at 10:09 PM ^

My god who fucking cares?

Jim Harbaugh is a total self serving jackass and this board still goes from 6 to midnight at the thought of him getting tired of living in California sun, coaching at the pinnacle a dynamic storied franchise, with a dynamic QB making $5 million/year to come back and rescue his flailing alma mater who he threw under the bus publicly when it served his interests. 

Football coaches for the most part are pricks. I don't need Mother Theresea on the sidelines. Demanding excellence is nothing to be ashamed about and doesn't make him bad.


November 3rd, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^

Michigan is bogged down in its traditions and having a hard time catching up because its " we always did it that way" bullshit.

Doing it the "right way" now gets you 8-4 and losing to bawcoach in a third rate bowl game nobody cares about.

Also just look at what happens to cheaters like Ohio, Oregon, Bama, Miami, UNC and OK State.


So there's zero risk in buying a cock coach like Harbaugh that just wins games and recruits like a mother. Michigan hired a DL coach whose claim to fame was being a position coach for a good D 16 years ago, and a freak, never again repeat occurrence 12-1 team at Ball State. Thats about it.

But alas Michigan is in this for the long haul so ill now shut my cakehole on the very dumb and pointless topic.


November 4th, 2013 at 9:03 AM ^

I would be all for hiring him as well.  Only problem may have been academic standards.  Way back when he was leaving Utah he was supposed to be going to ND.  IIRC what stopped him was their unwillingness to allocate a certain number of academic "exceptions" per year.  They did it under Holtz but had decided not to again after Holtz left.  Meyer then went to Florida.  I think Michigan may be closer to ND than OSU in that regard.


November 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 PM ^

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocrity" or something along those lines. All of the above posters that make excuses for the reasons (cheat, oversign, greyshirt) Alabama gets results on the football field would fall under a certain portion of Saban's quote, while his coaching style and Bama's results on the field would explain the other half of his quote. In other words, an overwhelming majority of our fan base is representative of being ok with a mediocre product, so we find justification in dogging a team that is where we want to be. After watching that 60 minutes special, I can only pray as a Wolverine fan that Hoke is even 1/10th as dedicated as Saban. An almost maniacal approach to his passion.


November 4th, 2013 at 12:54 AM ^

Everyone runs their mouth about how mich they cheat... Maybe as a school they don't have their priorities straight at times with their players, and I know Sabah can be a mega douche and an ass hole of a human being at times, but one thing we for sure is that Sabah is a good coach when it comes to winning and developing college athletes, and has yet to have any evidence suggesting that he is cheating in any way.


November 3rd, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^

The link with the interview is here (RIGHT HERE).

Some of the text of the interview is linked in here, but it is an interesting insight into Saban and the perception of the allure of Alabama. I found it intriguing if somewhat predictable when it came to the level of access. 


November 4th, 2013 at 6:32 AM ^

I posted this in the deleted thread but wanted to see what people thought about this.  The context was people in the other thread calling saban the ultimate football mercenary because he was all about the money and was jumping between jobs, etc.

. . .

If what Saban did was in another employment context, would people really have such a big deal with it?

Analogous example: 

Say he was CEO at a fairly sucessful start up company and was the reason for their suceess.  After 5 years, he starts to get national notoriety and takes a job as CEO of one of the top US domestic corporations.  He does well there too and increases that company's revenues while vaulting the company to the #1 US domestic corporation.  After 4 years, he gets a job offer to be CEO of one of the top 32 multinational coprorations which he accepts.   Then 1.5 years later the multinational corporation is struggling and a different top United States domestic corporation needs a new CEO, was impressed with his time at one of their biggest competitors, and will pay him more than the top multinational corporation pays him.  This US corporation provides him security the Multinational Corporation could not as it promises him a lifetime contract (For the lawyers:  Written!) if he raises the company's profile to #1 in the United States.  He takes that offer and raises the profile to #1 and is set for life financially and othwerise, assured to go down as one of the greatest CEOs of all time.

Are you calling that guy the ultimate mercinary?  Isn't that just an elite business professional progressing through his career?


November 4th, 2013 at 2:38 PM ^

Yup that's definitely a difference there. I really can't remember any staple head coaches at mediocre/marginal jobs. At least not in a higher proportion than they are today.

Could be the underlying cause is the "I used to walk 12 miles to school in the snow uphill both ways" mentality where an individual's own life is the pinnacle he compares everyone else on. So they remember something (coaches not taking promotions/security) even though it may not have been entirely true.

Then again. I could just be wrong and coaches leave more today as opposed to their just being more coverage/stigma around it.


November 4th, 2013 at 2:11 PM ^

Missing the point but my bad on communicating I guess.

Change the hypo to teacher to principal to superintendent to principal. Still the same analogy. All with corresponding raises.

Is that (now) principal just a hired mercenary?


November 4th, 2013 at 8:56 AM ^

Who is planning to watch the one on Thursday? I am guessing the waterfalls play a large part since it is really on the Strength and Conditioning program at Alabama.


November 4th, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^

I have read on a few threads comments about Hoke being a MAC coach, and that is all we should expect.  I would like to pose a question to the indigents making this statement.  Where did Saban and Gary Pinkle start their college coaching careers?  It was the University of Toledo.  With that said look at the success they have both had coming from the MAC.  When you look at Hoke at both HC jobs he has had (Ball State and SDSU).  The evidence is there he has won at both places.  WE need to give him time to get his personnel in place.  His recruiting is the best this University has seen since 2005.  I know the frustrations have settled in but as a fan of these student atheles we need to weather this storm.  Hoke will win here!  Now do I agree there need to be changes in the offensive coaching staff, absolutely.  Borges need to go he has not shown any ability to plan for a big game, nor make changes needed throughout a game to stay competitive.  Funk is next on that list.  I know the OL is young and as already stated on several other threads these guys should not be thrown to the wolves and put in a position to fail as they are this year.  Jackson is the next to go.  I know he has been one of the better recruiters for this team in the past with his connections, but the time has come where Michigan needs to part ways with him.  I feel as a RB coach he has done nothing in the past few years to develop our RB depth.  This is a huge concern.  To think with all the RB's which have been recruited the past few years, and we still have truly only given Fitz the ball is alarming.  Things will work out just give hike the time needed to right the ship.


November 4th, 2013 at 12:43 PM ^

such a god.  Not because he's not a good coach, he is. 

He wouldn't win as much in the B1G because he couldn't recruit around the rules like he does there.  He signs 5 more high 4-star and 5-star talent every year than every team in the B1G.  That's 15 juniors or possibly 20 seniors that are better than most programs have.  The grayshirting and stripping of scholarships he does is why he's such a 'great' recruiter.

If he had to sign only 25 players a season like the B1G he'd be just ike every other top-25 coach.  Forcing all schools to give 4-year scholarships would balance the playing field also.

Incidentally, that's why the B1G is so far behind the SEC and PAC-12.  We have rules and follow them.  The only rule in the SEC is don't get caught.


November 4th, 2013 at 2:17 PM ^

The SEC helps of course but he has had more success and faster success at Alabama than he did at LSU. I think he found the perfect school for him and the school feels they found their perfect coach.

I have heard many people on the Alabama campus use that old line "He may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch."

As long as they don't find him with a dead girl in his office he is pretty much able to do anything he wants.

Think about this. He said everyone had to stay the entire game and the students did not empty out during a 50 point blow out. He runs Tuscaloosa and everyone knows it.