April 24th, 2013 at 11:50 AM ^

Not that I don't appreciate the humor, quite the opposite, but it takes an awfully twisted mind to wonder, "Hm. How can I make Joffrey Baratheon even worse?" .... and then come up with the right answer.


April 24th, 2013 at 12:07 PM ^

That might be season 10. While the show is good, nothing ever seems to happen. She has been trying to get back and take the thrown for three seasons. She just now bought/stole an army. 

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April 24th, 2013 at 3:19 PM ^

That's pretty typical for HBO and Showtime series, so that people get hooked in with little bits versus big gulps. Usually the last four to six epis rock it out. They haven't written themselves into a corner yet, and there are sooooso many places to go for a non-book reader watcher person.


April 24th, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^

Good question. Do you pronounce it the way that GRRM obviously meant for it to be pronounced or do you pronounce it the way that the guy hired to make the pronunciations says it is pronounced?

Someone pointed out on a reddit thread a few weeks ago that no one in Westeros is speaking English; they speak the language of the Andals. However, GRRM is translating it for us so everything should be pronounced pretty much as it looks. There is no point in having "ee" in the title and then having it pronounced with an "ay" sound. That would be like me saying my name is pronounced "Jake".


April 24th, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^

You should read the books. I really don't understand the people who would rather watch the series before reading the books. You're missing sooo much depth, and you can't put the cat back in the bag once you've watched...

Not to mention that there are characters in the show that don't even exist in the books. You're cheating yourself. 


April 25th, 2013 at 4:53 PM ^

You read the book first and you know everything that's going to happen, and it probably pales in the comparison. And what a visual medium does best, surprise and emotionally involve you, has already been done. You read the books second, and then you get all that depth and detail you don't get from the show, and it actually enhances the reading experience. So reading can be as good or better after, but viewing almost always is downgraded by having read it first. And you're invariably disappointed with things they didn't do.


April 24th, 2013 at 7:10 PM ^

I think the show is better. It is one of the rare cases where I am not reading the books so as to not spoil the screen adaption. I started to read them after season one really think the show own the books. The casting is unreasonably good and people don't realize what a talent beinholf is.


April 24th, 2013 at 9:59 PM ^

if you haven't read the books it's hard to value your opinion...


for my part I like the show and can see how it is better than the books... however you lose a lot of the subtleties. 

I am interested to see if there is a season five (four has been confirmed).    Books 4 and 5 occur simultaneously and are separated by where the action takes place (until the end of book 5) so I wonder what they will choose to do with the show...



April 24th, 2013 at 10:17 PM ^

is that since they're making seasons 3 and 4 be book 3 in the series, they'll make seasons 5, 6, and 7 be books 4 & 5 combined. But that's just my theory.

Now if just George RR Martin will get off his butt and get us the final two books already, I'll be happy. I wonder what will happen with the show if they catch up to the books and he hasn't written the ending yet. Will the show stop? Or will he give them his blessing to end it however they want? Or will he tell them an outline of what he has in mind.


April 25th, 2013 at 10:03 AM ^

I went through this on reddit with someone the other day.

GRRM stated in an interview a couple weeks ago that about 25% of the book is completely finished. I take that to mean that he is pretty much done with the book, he is currently revising 75% of the book, and the last 25% has gone through the editing process. If that is the case, I think we'll have book 6 in the next year. Once that comes out, that D&D have 3.5 books' worth of content to get through before they run into book 7.

In the most condensed possible form, you have season 4 finish up book 3 and start on books 4/5, season 5 finishes books 4/5, and season 6 does all of book 6. That's still 3 years, essentially, that GRRM has to release book 7. Now, if you go a little more reasonable with it, and give 1.5-2 seasons for books 4/5 and 6 (book 6 is supposedly the longest yet), then you are looking at more like 4-5 years to finish book 7.

It was also pointed out that the reason that books 4 and 5 took so long to come out was that GRRM put himself in a corner with the books and he had to go back and rewrite most of them. Hopefully, he doesn't have to do that with these next two and we get them sooner rather than later.


April 25th, 2013 at 11:17 AM ^

Know who lives and who dies having only read through book 2 (and please no spoilers) but I think the problem may be the actors and their willingness to commit for that long. There is going to be an abundance of interest for the talent on this show and I don't know how long they plan yo stick around.


April 25th, 2013 at 11:30 AM ^

I really don't expect the show to last 10 seasons or however long that it takes to get through all of the content. I do, however, think that, if it continues to grow in popularity and bring in revenue, HBO will make sure that it sticks around. I have a feeling that around season 5 or 6, there will be a dip in interest and HBO will cut it.

As for the actors, most of them are relatively unknown or new. I don't think they'd have a problem sticking around, especialy if HBO made it worth their while. The bigger problem that I see is aging, especially with the kids. The books all take place in 2-year-ish timespan. By the time that we get to season 6, the actors for the children will all be adults. They are either going to have to (a) hurry the story along, (b) find new actors, or (c) change the storyline/dialog a bit so that kids aren't treated as kids anymore.


April 26th, 2013 at 12:38 PM ^

will likely use a Boardwalk Empire-esque time jump at some point, and likely cut out a large period of uneventful material that I understand is in A Feast for Crows though I may be wrong about that.  But I think you underestimate how long a grown up can be made to look and behave like a child.  Luke Perry may have something to say on the matter. 

They are in a tricky situation.  If they do end the show without telling the whole story (if it ever gets told), the show will not be recognized as the phenomenal show that it is because it will have stopped midstream.  However, at some point ratings are going to dip and they might end up catching up to the books are running out of material.  Perhaps as time passes the show will just become entirely a thing of its own, basically "loosely based" on the books.  From what I understand that is starting to occur right now anyway.


April 24th, 2013 at 11:33 PM ^

The show is amazing but the books are out of this world imo. There's a reason people refer to GRRM as the American Tolkein.

The books do vary quite a bit I think in terms of quality. I'd probably rank them 3 > 1 > 5 > 2 > 4, but it's hard to say with the first two since I read them after watching the first two seasons of the show. Not sure how I would have reacted to Ned Stark's death if I'd read it in the book.

With the books there are just so many subtleties that you don't really get in the show. It breeds a lot of wacky theories as to what's really going on; people really get pretty detailed with them.