OT: NCAA to Experiment With 30-Second Shot Clock In NIT

Submitted by LS And Play on February 7th, 2015 at 4:36 PM

Given that Michigan is likely headed to the NIT this season, I thought this was board-worthy. With Beilein's more deliberate offensive style, how do you think a 30-second shot clock would impact the offense this year, and beyond? 

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Comments

johnthesavage

February 7th, 2015 at 4:41 PM ^

But I don't like this push to make college basketball faster. I think it takes some of the strategy out of running an offense, and it reduces the importance of each possession. I admit this is mostly a matter of taste.

Beilein is a great coach who will be fine, but I can't see how this is a positive for his offense. On defense, however, it could help --  It should improve the effectiveness of the 1-3-1.

OccaM

February 7th, 2015 at 4:47 PM ^

Personally, I just think they should just move to 24 seconds like the NBA and move the 3 point line back to where it is in the NBA as well. 

Just normalize it. 

Team 101

February 7th, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^

I'm with johnthesavage - no need to move the clock faster.  It will only force a lot of one on one moves benefitting teams with strong playmakers and poor defense.  Leave that to NBA where the games are more entertainment than sport.

Perhaps we should experiment with removing the shot clock and bring back the four corners.

Yeoman

February 7th, 2015 at 10:46 PM ^

I don't actually dislike Jay Bilas, but virtually everything he says about basketball irritates me. I've come to the conclusion that Jay Bilas's Platonic ideal of basketball and my Platonic basketball are diametrical opposites.

And his side's going to win the argument. I'm resigned to that.

Fhshockey112002

February 7th, 2015 at 5:01 PM ^

I think 30 is a good number. The NBA clock is too quick there isn't enough skill on the floor to get good looks in 16-19 second after crossing mid court. 35 seconds tends to make the game stagnant with a lot of "motion" with no actual attempt to get to the basket.

nappa18

February 7th, 2015 at 5:04 PM ^

No strong feelings on the shot clock but I have thought for a long time that the college three point line should be moved back. If not NBA distance, then at least split the difference.

LSAClassOf2000

February 7th, 2015 at 5:21 PM ^

Badgers coach Bo Ryan has used the slow-down tactics to great success, including last year's run to the Final Four and a 20-2 start this year that has Wisconsin ranked No. 5. Wisconsin ranks 39th in the country at 74.4 points per game this season, but many teams at schools both big and small have employed a more deliberate offensive system over the years to neutralize athletic shortcomings.

This is the first team I thought of when I saw this thread, and it would be interesting to see how it affects a Wisconsin-ish type team in the NIT, if indeed a comparable team ends up in the NIT so a comparison might be done. I can see this confounding some teams' offenses though.

Actually, the ACC actually did this, I believe, in exhibition games this year, which I don't think is enough of a sample to get good comparison data.

LS And Play

February 7th, 2015 at 5:41 PM ^

At least in terms of tempo, Michigan and Wisconsin are strikingly similar year after year. Both are averaging 60.5 possessions a game this year, good for 335th (Wisconsin) and 338th (Michigan), respectively. 

Now, obviously the offenses themselves are quite different, but pace-wise they are about identical, so it would be interesting to see how the shorter clock would impact Michigan in the NIT. 

JamieH

February 8th, 2015 at 4:03 AM ^

I dont' think it will have a big effect.  A lot of teams waste a ton of time in their offensive set right now.  If they have 5 less seconds to waste, well, they will just get moving a bit quicker. 

I don't think most desperation heaves right now come from a complete inability to get up a shot in 35 seconds.  I think they come from not getting into your offense quickly enough.

Perhaps a team that is pressing/trapping might be better off because they can force a team now to only have 20 seconds or so of offense once they get the ball across half-court.

m1jjb00

February 7th, 2015 at 6:34 PM ^

I'm not gung ho about reducing the clock time.  I've hear some ridiculous arguments about how it will help sh**ty offenses.  Since when does taking away options help someone?  The stupidest thing I heard a few weeks ago was that it would help bad teams b/c they have less time they need to guard better teams, completely forgetting the fact that there will be more possessions for them to guard.

Having said/ranted all that, I am a big fan of such experiments in either the preseason or postseason (excluding the Tournament, obviously).  So kudos.

chatster

February 7th, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^

Michigan (currently 13-10 and, at 6-5, tied for seventh in the conference, and possibly without both Caris LeVert and Derrick Walton, Jr. for the rest of the season) has seven regular-season games left before the Big Ten tournament: at Indiana (16-7), at Illinois (16-8), Michigan State (15-8), Ohio State (17-6), at Maryland (19-4), at Northwestern (10-13) and Rutgers (10-14). Among those teams, only Northwestern and Rutgers are below Michigan in the conference standings.
 
The current NCAA Tournament Bracket Matrix has six teams from the Big Ten in the field (Wisconsin - 2 seed, Maryland - 4 seed, Ohio State - 7 seed, Indiana - 7 seed, Michigan State - 9 seed and Iowa - 10 seed.)  
 
Last year’s 32-team NIT field had 13 regular-season conference champions who received automatic bids and only six teams with fewer than 20 wins (California, LSU, Georgetown, West Virginia, Illinois and High Point.)  Georgetown, West Virginia and High Point were the only teams with fewer than 18 wins.
 
The 16-team CBI, pay-to-play tournament had five teams with at least 20 wins and eight teams with 17 or fewer wins and only three teams with records below .500 (including Penn State, the Big Ten’s representative in the field.)
 

chatster

February 8th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^

The CBI would be a high-risk/low-reward tournament for Michigan, so I doubt that it would be in the school’s interest to play in it.
 
There are at least eight games left in this season for Michigan. Considering (a) the difficulty of the remaining schedule, (b) the possibility of playing the rest of the season without LeVert, Walton and D. J. Wilson and (c) not knowing whether Spike Albrecht and Mark Donnal are fully healthy, unless the team can pull off at least two upset wins in the next five games, so that they’ll have a good chance to finish with no fewer than 17 wins and an NIT bid, I’m guessing that the season will end with the Big Ten Tournament.
 
The off-season developments for Michigan men’s basketball should be interesting. Lots of questions to be answered. Will Caris LeVert leave for the NBA, as expected? Will any players be asked to find a new home for their talents?  Without any commits from USA high school players for the 2015 recruiting class, will the coaching staff be looking overseas for incoming players?

taistreetsmyhero

February 7th, 2015 at 8:16 PM ^

to play with NBA 24 second shot clock, but maybe 30 seconds would be a good compromise.

I'd rather not see a game with a bunch of max elbow jumpers as time expires. But at the same time, it would be nice to see good defense rewarded more often.

Yeoman

February 7th, 2015 at 10:33 PM ^

The shorter the shot clock, the more of each possession is late-clock. There's proportionally less looking for a good shot, more forcing the action to get a shot at a particular point in time.

It's to the disadvantage of any continuity offense (Beilein, Ryan), to the advantage of dribble-drive and high-ball-screen. I'm guessing the most dramatic effect won't be in pace or scoring or even shooting percentages, but in the average number of passes per possession.

Mr. Yost

February 8th, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^

Just implement the damn thing! A 35 second shot clock in men's college basketball is beyond stupid.

It should already be 30 and they should be experimenting with a 26 or 28 second shot clock.

cadmus2166

February 8th, 2015 at 5:49 AM ^

There is nothing wrong at all with the 35 second shot clock. It actually makes the game more interesting, in my opinion. Plus, the NBA is virtually unwatchable, and anything that moves college basketball closer to that is a bad thing. Leave college basketball alone!!

Yeoman

February 8th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

During the charge/block discussions?

I recall a comment by Adam Silver that implied that the NBA would consider moving to two-and-done if the NCAA moved its rules, and game, in the direction of the NBA. Shorter clock, change in traveling rule, charge/block changes, bigger arc under the hoop.

To my surprise he lost that round and the charge/block rule was changed back to what it always was. But I don't have much hope in the long run.