OT - Nassar confronted in court

Submitted by Hard-Baughlls on January 19th, 2018 at 1:12 PM

I saw this article on CNN. Must be nice for the accusers to be able to finally confront Nassar without fear or shame and have him finally feel powerless.  I've fortunately never been in such a situation, but could only imagine the vindication these victims must feel by finally having the truth come out and being able to confront this guy face to face and make him squirm.

I'm sure he'll suffer plenty in prison, given his status as a sex predator, and I also hope this type of forum, where victims can confront him, gives them some psychological relief from his crimes.

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/19/us/larry-nassar-sentencing/index.html

 

Edit:  Obviously a lot of anger and opinions about what a shithead this guy is in the thread and all are valid and fair points.  My original post above was meant to showcase how it's great that the actual victims get to individually tell this guy what piece of scum he is to his face one after the next, and not only hopefully give themselves some reprieve, but just badger him for days over and over so he never forgets what a shameful disgusting person he is as he rots in prison.

The comments on here are merely from people observing this monster...imagine the vitriol and spite he is eating as each victim goes up there and tells the coward what a piece of shit he is.....sleep well in jail with that on your mind Nassar.

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UMAmaizinBlue

January 19th, 2018 at 1:21 PM ^

Worked in a federal correctional institute for a number of years, and he says there are 2 types of criminal that don't last long in prison w/o protection - those who abuse children, and those who abuse women.

xtramelanin

January 19th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^

facility and his time will likely be easier than you might imagine.  however, if they put him in a normal fed facility then he'd be in with gangsters and dopers and some pretty violent heavy hitters and would likely spend the vast majority of his time (23 hrs/day) in solitary or something close to it. 

if he goes to a state facility then its anybody's guess what'll happen or if the time will be easier or harder.  lots of variables. 

FL_Steve

January 19th, 2018 at 7:52 PM ^

during my senior year at Albion. Worked alongside psychologists in sexual assault relapse prevention group therapy. The environment was not as bad as it is in other prisons from what I have heard and what I observed 1st hand. FWIW JCF is lv 5 maximum security, and the added regulations/oversight, from what I recall, minimizes violence toward any population. Also while I was there there were no separate "housing/unit" for sex offenders (though this was in 08 so things could be different now and my colleuge and mentor retired several years back). However, sex offenders are certainly lowest on the totem pole and get their share of verbal and occasional physical harassment. 

There are generally two types of sexual offenders: one's whose brains are wired in such as way that the sexual arousal is neuronally paired with children ("these we try to keep in as long as we can because they will relapse 100% of the time," quote from the acting psychologist and further confirmed through my study in neuropsychology); and there are those who regress psychologically and identify more with minors, generally due to trauma (additionally, sexual offenders are often times victims of abuse themselves and the pattern of abuse is cyclical in nature) these offenders are more amenable to therapy and relapse prevention measures.

What discussed me most is the systemic culture that invalidated the victim in their complaints and, is nothing short of malfeasance and maleficence aimed at protecting the school regardless of the cost to society. I blame the school and those involved in this as much as I blame Nasser. They should be right beside him in a cell and Nasser and Kathie Klages both deserve to be hung for this. I would enjoy it only as much as knowing the world is a better place without them and that they are not a financial or otherwise moral handicap on the state of michigan as well as our country as a whole. There is evil about and it cannot always be cured, and in these cases additional measures may be warranted. 

MGlobules

January 19th, 2018 at 1:47 PM ^

with a young daughter who has really been disturbed by this case I also have to add that, for me, the idea of the guy having to stew for the rest of his natural days in the knowledge of this awful is more satisfying than someone putting him out of his misery, slowly or quickly. 

ToledoWolverine

January 19th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^

As it is vindication or closure. For those of us not directly affected it’s fairly easy to think he will get what he deserves and take a bit of solace in that. For those who where directly impacted, some, most, maybe all of them, had their fucking lives ruined by this one man. So no amount of revenge, Justice, or vindication will ever set right what he did to them. They will be affected until they die.

So when you say pleasure in, Mr. soon to be living the rest of his short ass life in agonizing pain, rapist, I see happiness that he won’t be able to do it to another person.

JamesBondHerpesMeds

January 19th, 2018 at 3:18 PM ^

I volunteer with inmates here in California, and the efforts that many of these men - some of whom who have done some really serious and terrible shit - are making to make amends for their past mistakes and contribute back to society is commendable. The prison system isn't really set up for allowing such things to happen.

I guess I'm of the mind that we have a lot to learn from our mistakes - and it's possible to have that happen in a society that accepts that punishment and rehabilitation can coexist.

Not sure if others have seen this, but a large swath of prisoners served on the front lines during the recent wildfires: https://www.insidecdcr.ca.gov/2017/10/centinela-prison-fire-crew-protec…

bronxblue

January 19th, 2018 at 4:06 PM ^

Yeah, there is no chance he'd even be put into general population due to his notoriety.  

He'll be segregated from the rest of the prison and just rot away.  I don't think him getting beaten up or killed in prison would be some karmic retribution for his offenses.

MGoBrewMom

January 19th, 2018 at 6:59 PM ^

But it is a pretty normal, and honest response. The crimes are repulsive, and people in general want "something done"..and some are all for "an eye for an eye", or in this case, worse! So, I wouldn't really shame people for their emotions about this.
Problem is, the dude has to be sick, and I have that initial reaction to have him suffer. And then I wonder, WTAF happened to make him that way. A normal person would not do that. So? What happened to him to make him that way.. no excuses for it, but something HAS to be wrong, or in the dude's history. As big of a problem I have with him---HE is the guilty one and responsible for his own actions--Those that did nothing are the most deplorable. So many of those people who ignored stuff.

But yeah, I'm sorry, but I still want him to sit in there and suffer...

UM Fan from Sydney

January 19th, 2018 at 1:49 PM ^

I have heard the same from someone I know who worked at a prison. Even the most violent criminals around (I'm talking people who murdered others) do not like it when men sexually abuse women and children. I think there is no chance Nassar is not murdered in prison (without protection from guards). That or he will take the cowardly route and kill himself.

trueblueintexas

January 19th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^

They played a piece of the testimny on the radio yesterday. I thought the best statement was to the affect of, "you never accounted for all these little girls you molested growing up to be an army of strong women who were going to confront you and tell the world the truth of who and what you are". 

Fieldy'sNuts

January 19th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

Is it normal in criminal law for a court to schedule 5+ days for victims' statements prior to sentencing? I know there were a lot of victims and affected parties but I can't recall another case like this were the victims statements went on for a week. Not that I feel bad for the guy in the least, but I'm just wondering if the Judge departed from the norm here because of the publicity surrounding this case.  

MGlobules

January 19th, 2018 at 1:53 PM ^

children in his porn collection were apparently enough to put him away for life. Also, I think that the severity of his crimes is being seriously understated, being called molestation by the DetNews yesterday, for example. I think in most of the cases it was rape, and that this could make it among the all-time worst. Sitting around talking about whether it's worse than the Sandusky case might or might not be terribly availing, but it looks like it's been downplayed pretty outrageously. 

ijohnb

January 19th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^

agreed in his plea agreement that all of the alleged victims in the Complaint be allowed to give victim impact statements.  Based on the letter he drafted to the Judge, it does not appear that Nassar thought he would have to listen to all of them or at least that is what he claiming now.  Theoretically, I think that Nassar could dead-weight it in his cell and refuse to move and not lose the deal.  I don't think Nassar listening  to the victim impact statements is specified in his plea, but I could be wrong.

FL_Steve

January 19th, 2018 at 7:58 PM ^

the victim's are able, in extreme circumstances where emtional pain/trauam is overly stimulating such as this, to give their accounts in a separate room that is mic'd into the courtroom, at lease in Michigan. I had to watch and obsever some pretty troubling video and audio recordings during my training and work at G. Robert Cotton (JCF).

ijohnb

January 19th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^

is very unusual for their to be 105 victims of any related crime with the same defendant, so yes, this is highly unusual just based on that.

As to your broader question, it is unusual for victims of alleged crimes that were dismissed as part of a plea to be given the opportunity to give victim impact statements because technically, they are not victims because no crime has been found as to that person.  In this case, I simply don't think the Judge cares what the norm is and it is her courtroom so who really is going to tell her what she can't do?

UMfan21

January 19th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^

120 now.  Every day more are joining.

I've listened to a few hours of statements as I worked from home this week.  It's gutwrenching.

One father dropped the f bomb on Nassar and really let him have it.  It was fantastic to have someone finally let loose how we all feel.

DMill2782

January 19th, 2018 at 2:16 PM ^

They say they didn't tell MSU because of an ongoing FBI investigation? I think the FBI would have been fine with USA Gymnastics informing MSU that they had a FUCKING CHILD MOLESTER on their staff! 

They did absolutley nothing to stop this monster.