Maizenblueball

November 10th, 2015 at 7:09 PM ^

Also, was Michigan ever interested in him?  I know we've got our targets on some other DT's, but how does he compare?  I don't follow recruiting as closely as some of you.

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jmdblue

November 10th, 2015 at 7:11 PM ^

No idea how accurate it is, but it appears Miss St. is a prime player for his services.  If Sparty gonna recruit at the highest level, Sparty gonna learn about being beaten by the bagman. (I think Dantonio coaches his players to be borderline dirty.  I think he has excused criminal behavior to keep guys eligible.  I suspect steriod use may be fairly widespread over there.  I do not thing he cheats at recruiting).

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BlueinLansing

November 10th, 2015 at 8:28 PM ^

and has been happening for some time.

 

Downtown boosters club in Lansing got busted for "accounting irregularities" with regards to raffle money from football and basketball games.  Investigation went real quiet and dark when the local news stations started asking about athletes potentially benefitting.

As far as roids, there is only one other program where it is more obvious steroids are happening and thats down South a bit.

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Felix.M.Blue

November 10th, 2015 at 8:42 PM ^

that about him. When he was DC at osu quite a few stories were swept under the rug about roid use. Then of course Gholston falling off the map quickly after being drafted by the Jets.

Also funny how Brian Cushing was all world at usc then all of a sudden those NFL pricks corrupted him and made him take steroids. /s 

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getsome

November 11th, 2015 at 1:47 AM ^

no clue about gholston but pretty darn sure cushing was already juicing in hs.  normally wouldnt comment like that but a teammate played hs ball with cushing and they were nuts (and its not something the dude would lie about).  

i think the prevalence of steroid use in college game still might surprise some (or at least surprise some who havent experienced the culture firsthand) - similar to number of athletes smoking weed.  roid abuse is not nearly as bad as 20-30 years ago or even last decade but still occurs to some extent in most locker rooms.  aside from freqency, the biggest difference now is most staffs and S&C coaches dont condone it.  just a few thoughts

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Danwillhor

November 11th, 2015 at 5:41 AM ^

He really liked Michigan and camped/visited here but received no offer and no promise of an offer. Given that he was already a top 4 OLB in the country that seemed strange. He and his dad then left Michigan and proclaimed publicly how much they now disliked UM and its staff. He would soon commit to USC. The craziest thing being how much mass he gained between his HS SR season and his FR year at USC. He gained about 20 lbs of pure muscle, IIRC. He was a relatively skinny kid that was a hulk less than 12 months later. A lot of USC players at the time had similar transformations. I'm beyond positive that there is rampant use at a few schools (systemic, cultural use) and 2 of them happen to be our biggest rivals. Bama is another that is just blatantly obvious, IMO.

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yzerman19

November 11th, 2015 at 9:57 AM ^

Is he super huge?  and ripped?  with veins all over the place?  roids.  with rare exceptions and cushing is not one of them  neither was shannon sharpe.  being that big and ripped at the same time is not a natural human condition.

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JFW

November 10th, 2015 at 10:05 PM ^

evidence? 

 

Sometimes players are great in college and not in the NFL. It happens. The NFL is a cast iron bitch of a league to play in, and alot of things can play in to a players development and success. 

I mean, I haven't even heard of rumors of it. But again I'm a middle aged guy in Northern Michigan. Until I get some evidence I'm going to assume its not going on there. I know people all over like to make similar accusations of us. 

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Felix.M.Blue

November 10th, 2015 at 10:28 PM ^

I mean Tom Brady has said that one of his biggest reasons for sucess was the weight training he was introduced to in the NFL where he put on 20-30 lbs of muscle.

Cato June didn't even look like the same person in the NFL as he did at Michigan.

Always seemed to me that NFL teams got screwed drafting osu guys really high only to see them disappear and got great value taking Michigan players later in the draft that seemed to last forever.

AJ Hawks apt. getting broken into, cash and steroids were found. Bullough the lb at msu suddenly disappears before the bowl game. I don't think these are isolated incidents.

I lived in Cleveland for 12 years and would hear things like this once in a while. Not exactly how the story in the paper told them. But if you want to believe Dantonio, Tressel, and Ginn Sr. and the like to be on the up and up have it.

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jmdblue

November 10th, 2015 at 10:23 PM ^

Which is why I was fairly tepid in my allegation.  That said, we've seen a truly amazing hit rate of virtually unknown recruits become high round draft picks, getting huge in th  process without losing speed.  We've also seen a solid ability to excuse almost any behavior on or off the field if it benefits the program.  Putting those two factors together leaves me suspicious.  +1 for asking.

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webbertucky

November 10th, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^

Who are you even talking about? I can't think of anyone who matches the criteria of being an unknown recruit and then getting huge and becoming a high round pick. Leveon I guess? But dennard and waynes are anything but huge. Cornerbacks are your "evidence"? What other unknowns became good NFL players? Keshawn Martin? Half the people on this board could bench as much as him. Bullough i could see....but I don't see anyone besides him.

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stephenrjking

November 11th, 2015 at 1:29 AM ^

Here's my issue with this: Not the idea that juicing is happening, but that it only happens at certain places (which happen to be rivals!).

Frankly, there's no way doping isn't widespread in major college sports, football especially. Take a competitive, athletic person. Tell them that there's a way they can work just as hard as before but compete better, be more athletic, get ahead of others, and possibly make money. What's he going to do?

Some will say no. But some will say yes. Many will. And they will succeed. They will be faster and stronger. They will out-compete opponents, who will also then juice to stay competitive. Some of them will get noticed by the NFL and get rich.

There's no way it isn't happening, and there is absolutely no way it isn't all over the NFL and other major pro sports. Simply put, if there is a real competitive benefit to juicing, some people will do it. 

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Danwillhor

November 11th, 2015 at 5:47 AM ^

but some places have systemic use and behavior that can only indicate condoning of such use. Bama with every spray and cream you can think of, msu has been an issue going back to the 80s but steroids won't turn pure trash into treasure, Iowa having kids sell them and the constant spreading of similar symptoms to a mass of players, etc. It's use is located everywhere but systemic use is not.

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