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I was sitting with a friend watching the Indians play Cinci the other night.  Kipnis put down a perfect bunt that stopped on the foul line.  This brought up the topic about whether the line was in or out and it spread to thinking about the rules about all the other lines on all the other fields for all the sports that are played by the NCAA and in the Olympics.  So I started a table trying to think about this and realized that there were lots of sports where I had no idea whether the line was in or out, even those I have played a lot like golf and soccer.

I believe the ball has to be completely outside the line in soccer to be out or completely in the goal to be scored.  Golf has boundary stakes and hazard lines.  If you ball is on the line is it in or out?  In rifle if your shot is on the line of a bulls-eye, is it a bulls-eye or does it have to be all inside the circle of the bulls-eye?   In track, are you out of your lane if you step on the other guy’s line or only if you step over that line completely? For some of these sports the answers may be more complex I suspect.

It would take quite a bit of individual effort to look up all the answers for all of these sports.  Here is the table so far based on my pathetic knowledge of obscure sports. I am hoping  that crowd sourcing on Mgoblog for the answers would save me from looking up all those rules although I fear this post could just (deservedly) turn into flame bait for comments on my laziness. Where is THE KNOWLEDGE when I need him (her? it?)  Chart…..

 

Yes..

 

NCAA Sport

Lines are…

Baseball

in

Football

out

Basketball

out

Hockey

in

Tennis

in

Golf

??

Soccer

in

Track

??

Lacrosse

??

Swimming

in

Field Hockey

in

Volleyball

in

Racquet ball

in

Squash

??

Wrestling

in

Gymnastics

out

Water polo

?

Skiing

?

Rifle

?

Cross Country

?

Bowling

out

Other Olympic sports

lines are …

badminton

??

team handball

??

speed skating

??

archery

??

track cycling

??

fencing

??

judo 

??

rowing

??

table tennis

??

curling

??

 

Clarence Beeks

June 16th, 2012 at 3:13 PM ^

That's not correct for hockey.  On the line can be both in and out, depending on which line.  The easiest example would be that if the puck is on the goal line it's out, but if it's on the blue line it's in.  It's not correct for football, either.  On the sideline is out, but on the goaline is in.

justingoblue

June 16th, 2012 at 6:23 PM ^

The blue lines are part of the neutral zone when the puck is in the neutral zone, same for attacking zones. However, like you say, the determining edge is the one that extends the zone furthest. I'd call blue lines "fluid" more than in or out. The red line I would consider "in" for the purposes of icing, since touching the line before releasing the puck is all that's needed. Goal lines are definitely out, as the puck must cross completely for icing or a goal to count.

stephenrjking

June 16th, 2012 at 7:25 PM ^

To say that goal lines are "out" makes no sense to me. To me they are "in"--the puck is still in play while in contact with it. Perhaps it would be better to describe the lines as "cross" rather than "contact" lines. One must cross them to invoke their consequence, whereas contact lines require only a touch to be invoked.

justingoblue

June 16th, 2012 at 8:31 PM ^

More in the way you describe contact and cross. If a puck crosses a goal line on an ice or goal, the play is dead. That just seemed to be the way to compare hockey's lines (which are more complex) to tennis or the boundaries of a football field, excepting the end zone line in football. In the way you describe out, all of hockey's lines are in, which didn't seem too useful for the purposes of this discussion.

B-Nut-GoBlue

June 16th, 2012 at 5:22 PM ^

3 consecutive strides on the line and you are considered DQ'd.

-e.g. If your right foot hits the outside lane line 3 times in a row you are disqualified.  If the foot strikes twice, followed by a few strides in the lane, then the foot hits the line again for a stride or two, this is perfectly legal.

I was a track guy and should be confident with this answer, so I hope I'm not wrong about all of this!

 

MadMonkey

June 16th, 2012 at 7:01 PM ^

answer:

 

 

Races run entirely in lanes
In all races run in lanes, competitors shall start and finish within their assigned lanes.  The athlete may be disqualified if observed to have deliberately run outside the assigned lane and gained an advantage.  Each rulebook has a slightly different definition for this foul particularly if it occurs on a curve.  For the IAAF a material advantage must be gained, or another runner must be obstructed for disqualification (Rule 141).  No particular number of steps is specified but the current interpretation is one step on or inside the line is grounds for disqualification.  In USA Track & Field running outside the lane to the right is a specified exception but is covered in the IAAF since no material advantage can be gained by running a longer distance (Rule 65.4 & .6).  In the NCAA the athlete must step on or over the line with two consecutive steps of the left foot (Rule 5.5b). In high school it is on or over the line with three or more consecutive steps with either or both feet (Rule 5.11).  Be sure that you can report the number of steps taken that are on or over the inside lane line.  The referee may also want to know how far over the line the athlete was. 
Note: If a runner runs outside the assigned lane in the straightaway or runs outside the outer line on the curve, with no material advantage gained and no other runner obstructed, no disqualification will take place.

justingoblue

June 16th, 2012 at 6:52 PM ^

As far as course lines, they're in. You can touch a line without getting DQ'd unless you completely cross it. The finish is determined by completely crossing the line (and with some very wide lines, I've seen runners lose races by stopping before completely crossing).

DefenseWins

June 16th, 2012 at 7:43 PM ^

The MGoCreative team needs to come up with a meme or song screaming, "It's the offseason!"  Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with folks posting random stuff on the board.  It really doesn't bother me like it does others.  It just slams home the point that it's the offseason like nothing else, and football season needs to arrive soon.