OT: Jourdan Lewis commenting on fighting in hockey
January 8th, 2018 at 7:46 PM ^
Somebody please correct me if I'm way off, but I can't imagine you can punch someone on skates as hard as you could if you're standing on grass. It's pretty rare to see guys badly injured in a hockey fight, but if two men of equal athleticism fought on turf, the outcome would probably be horrific. To this point, hockey players almost always grab onto each other for balance and they're not ripping haymakers at each other using their whole body in the same way humans fight on dry land. I think if players were going out for weeks after a fight, it would be outlawed.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
google kocur v. kyte and let me know if you think jim kyte was hurt.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:09 PM ^
I don't have to. If you have to cherry pick an example, then you've made my point
January 8th, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^
fair enough. let’s go straight at it - your take is dumb and you should feel dumb.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:18 PM ^
You can punch somebody just as hard on ice as on grass. You can get some really good traction on skates.
The guys are not hold each other to keep balance. They have been skating their whole lives and have no trouble with balance even when fighting. They hold each other to avoid getting punched and to try to get the other guy’s jersey into a position that would impede their ability to throw punches.
The fights are often broken up before it gets out of hand as soon as the players hit the ice. You wouldn’t see the players out for weeks after a fight because, well, they are hockey players. They play with broken bones and get stitches in the locker room during games.
January 8th, 2018 at 10:51 PM ^
That mostly makes sense. I probably don't have enough appreciation for how well they're balanced, but I would still think there is a tiny bit of power lost when punching on ice vs grass. points well taken though. I was just trying a thought experiment of what it would be like for two NFL linemen to drop helmets. Somebody would die I think. That may only be a slight exaggeration.
January 8th, 2018 at 11:20 PM ^
I would much rather be punched by Sidney Crosby than an NFL lineman regardless of surface.
Crosby would hurt. Taylor Lewan would break bones in my face.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:20 PM ^
fight on skates as you have less balance and therefore less power, but there are still guys that can do some serious damage on the ice. NHL guys aren't always out there collecting bodies but in the Minors there are guys you do NOT want to mess with!
January 8th, 2018 at 7:57 PM ^
of the tweeters seem to understand that hockey is a sport that was created in another country is stupefying. Hockey reflects an element of Canadian culture, not American.
It didn’t occur to these geniuses to look at the attitude of US sports towards fighting when they were mostly white.( It was frowned upon.)
January 8th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^
So if a Toronto Raptor gets into a fight at a home game in Air Canada Centre, you think the reaction would be different because of “Canadian Culture”. Just a heads up, you do know basketball was created by a Canadian too!
January 8th, 2018 at 8:11 PM ^
Hockey is signficant part of Canadian identity. Canadians have for over a century played the sport on frozen ponds and rinks all across Canada. It is central element of Canadian culture.
Neismith invented basketball IN Massachusetts.
My God, you are so uninformed.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^
Fighting has been part of hockey since its existence. It has never been part of basketball, or football, or any other sport. That’s why fighting is acceptable in hockey and not in any other sport. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
January 8th, 2018 at 10:10 PM ^
Racist.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:15 PM ^
In the US...
January 8th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
So I will ignore it.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:56 PM ^
If LeBron James & Dwight Howard were to fight in an NBA game, most of the comments on the story would be “that’s why I don’t watch the games because of thugs like that playing”. Yet 5 hockey fights could happen on the same day and nobody would bat an eye! So if it makes you sleep better at night thinking race doesn’t bleed over into sports, more power to you.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
lol at the thought of LeBron or Dwight being thugs. dudes are so soft.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:03 PM ^
...and yet they still would be perceived that way. I could delve a lot deeper into it as more of a societal thing but it would be pointless on a forum like this, since most are entrenched in their mindsets.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:06 PM ^
"since most are entrenched in their mindsets"
January 8th, 2018 at 8:12 PM ^
Your bias is readily apparent here.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:56 PM ^
Like you, perhaps?
January 8th, 2018 at 8:11 PM ^
It somehow does not occur to you to ask if the fact that sport was created in another country and is played primarily in the US in states bordering that country has anything to do with fighting. Cultural difference.
Fighting in US sports, white or black dominated, has never been seen as acceptable as fighting is in hockey.
Race is an important issue, but I think you have made the assumption that white people in different countries share a common sporting culture and that isn’t true.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:22 PM ^
Exactly. Just look up any statistics about the disparity of views on fighting in hockey in the US versus in Canada. This issue has NOTHING to do with race and everything to do with the culture it originated in and thrives within. This is seriously not complicated.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:48 PM ^
The first time I’ve ever agreed with a Quattro post... I feel dirty.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:29 PM ^
its inception then no, people would not say that because it would be a regular and anticipated part of the sport. Dumb argument.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:40 AM ^
Dude, quit making assumptions. Remember how awesome society and the fan bases thought of the battle at the Palace between the fans the the Indiana Pacers. It was talked about for weeks, shown on nightly news, and glorified. People didn’t quit going to the Palace because of it or stop buying the jerseys. Fighting is just not part of the game.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^
“You would be allowed to fight if you played hockey too... Just sayin.“
January 8th, 2018 at 7:59 PM ^
The first ever organized hockey game actually ended in an all out brawl.. It’s literally been a part of the game since its existence. Brian Burke once said “I have this fear that if we don’t have guys looking after each other that the rats will take this game over”. He was exactly right. There are one, maybe two enforcers left in the game, but “pests” who take liberties and run guys are still around because they can skate and there’s no one to hold them accountable. Juniors are slowly getting rid of fighting and it’s having a trickle up effect and it’s not good for the sport IMO. Plus fights between two tough guys are a lot to fun to watch!
January 8th, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^
At tennis, golf, and bowling. The fight scenes are unreal.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:26 PM ^
The Olympics are almost here. Should be all kind of fights in skiing, bobsledding, curling. Not sure I'll let me kids watch.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:21 PM ^
that's some hardcore stuff right there!
January 8th, 2018 at 11:52 PM ^
Among other things.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:05 PM ^
It's entertaining.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:06 PM ^
WorldwideTJrob is a racist idiot.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:08 PM ^
Totally not, but I’ve been called worse by better ppl
January 8th, 2018 at 8:09 PM ^
Fighting amongst players has some unwritten rules. Once they go to the ground, you'll rarely see a sucker punch. More often, guys will say "good fight". I also think fighting in hockey is invoked by the nature of the play. The game is built on scrums in the corner for the puck, battles in front of the next, and riding players into the boards on rushes. This combined with the free flow of the game (opposite of football with the constant stops) is sort of conducive to the escalation into a fight.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:10 PM ^
Let me guess JD...your food at Michigan was comparable to "prison food"
Better yet, ask your fellow Alumni face to face how they feel about "fighting"
January 8th, 2018 at 8:23 PM ^
Kinda dumb. He should delete.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
Why do people make everything about race? Unbelievable. What an incredibly ignorant statement
January 8th, 2018 at 10:00 PM ^
Agreed....makes you wonder who the actual racist is.....
January 8th, 2018 at 11:41 PM ^
...this is sarcasm for those who don't know.
January 8th, 2018 at 11:43 PM ^
Make everything about race?
This is such a ridiculous comment. Do you know JD? Check is Twitter? Does he make everything about race?
So you make ONE comment about race and now all of your comments are about race? Think about what you just typed and hit "Save" on.
How is this "making everything about race?" Are you just uncomfortable discussing race?
January 8th, 2018 at 8:29 PM ^
I'd point out to JD that there's been plenty of black NHL players who are enforcers/ tough guys.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:28 PM ^
And I am starting to lose all respect for JD.
Just keep your mouth shut and keep a clean record for a while JD.
January 8th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^
I don't think he gives 1...let alone 2 shits about your respect for him. Shits are valuable.
If you can pop off and share your opinions on a blog...he can share his opinions whenever he wants. He doesn't have to "shut his mouth" any more than you have to shut yours.
January 9th, 2018 at 9:47 AM ^
Go fuck yourself
January 8th, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^
I'm very disappointed. He's a young man who, obviously, made an uneducated remark (no, I'm not saying he's uneducated). And while making an uneducated remark is forgivable, don't use the race card.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:19 PM ^
What's uneducated about it? There is a position in nhl called enforcer to beat someone senseless. The culture in hockey accepts fighting in nhl and nowhere else. I'm sure an enforcer would be nice in bbal or football.
I've seen some horrific fights in the NHL and no one ever says shit.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:31 PM ^
If there were guys in baseball and football who's only role is to go all bat out of hell and run over your best players then there would be enforcers in those sports too.
January 9th, 2018 at 8:02 AM ^
If he understood the game of hockey, its history, and the reason why it's allowed I don't think he would make the comment. Maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like a very blanket statement about a subject he isn't fully educated in.