OT Jameis Winston did not violate code [LOCKED]

Submitted by bluebyyou on

The title tells it all.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls14/story/_/id/12062132/jameis-…

"The preponderance of the evidence has not shown that you are responsible for any of the charge violations of the Code," Major Harding, a former Florida State Supreme Court Chief Justice who oversaw the case, said in a letter to the parties obtained by the Associated Press and USA Today. "Namely, I find that the evidence before me is insufficient to satisfy the burden of proof."

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umumum

December 21st, 2014 at 10:11 PM ^

he has NEVER been "cleared".  He simply hasn't been prosecuted or convicted.  You confuse innocent with not guilty.  Many defendants are found not guilty but who are in fact  guilty--because to send someone to jail we require that the proof must be "beyond a reasonable doubt".  As someone who isn't bound by that standard--because I ain't sending him to jail--I am entitled to look at the known evidence independently and conclude that he did it.

And 20-30 times more rapes are unreported than falsely made.  Worry a little more about those damaged women.

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Mr. Yost

December 21st, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^

But does being famous or annoying or a bad person in other facets of live forfeit benefit of the doubt, guity until proven innocent, etc.?

Again, I'm not saying I'm for or against these findings/results. To be honest, I don't know enough about the case to comment on it. I hate most things that the world latches onto and mobs form...so that's politics, in the sports world that's Donald Sterling, Winston, etc.

I just choose not to pay attention, and then when the country has moved on, I'll go back and educate myself without the influence of the mob.

At the same time, it's frustrating that so many people can form an opinion without being educated themselves. And I'm not saying that's you.

The only thing I've said that relates to your post is simply, no, it is not a general rule that athletes are victimized or targeted. But being an athlete, or being famous, or being Winston and all that he brings shouldn't factor into the equation. Not unless he's done this before, or even if he's been ACCUSED of it before, I can understand passing judgement.

But some just don't like him because he's him - and for me, that's not enough in a serious matter like this. Just like if people loved him, he doesn't get a pass or more benefit of the doubt.

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MGoBrewMom

December 22nd, 2014 at 12:13 AM ^

When men assume a woman is lying when there isn't evidence to prove she isnt. Like it would be absurd for a woman to be assulted. More rapes go unreported because of a woman feeling like the humiliation and battle is not worth it. In this case, I can't say he did it or not--just as none of us can. However, It is pretty apparent that the initial investigation did not even really occur...at least not an investigation that would happen to you or me. I don't believe that is random. I believe it is because he plays football for FSU and the FSU police and Talahasee police didn't take their job seriously. If their kid said they were raped, there would have been an investigation. If a vagrantwas accused, he would be investigated thoroughly. I think athletes get preferential treatment at FSU. I also think women aren't taken seriously, not by everyone, but in many cases. So in this case, was I there? Were any of us there? No...we don't know, and the process has played itself out. But we are talking about a person who has shown no accountability, and continually does whatever the fuck he wants. His own father thinks the University should hire a babysitter because he's a Heisman Trophy winner and needs extra supervision....so, did he rape her? I believe strongly that he did. This is based on what I read. That isn't enough to convict him, and I get that. There's not enough evidence. Not now...where was the investigation 2 years ago? As for his being an athlete factoring in, it absolutely does, because of the preferential treatment regarding the supposed investigation.

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Mr. Yost

December 22nd, 2014 at 12:22 AM ^

Because there are a ton of women who are on Winston's side just like there were those women wearing Ray Rice jerseys in support of him.

I get what you're saying, but what I hate even more than what you're saying is when people make an issue about right or wrong...about gender or race. THAT is what I hate.

This shouldn't be about men assuming anything, just like it shouldn't be about a black man and a white woman (something someone said below).

I too hate when men assume, like you said. But I also hate when women assume that the man did something wrong even though there isn't evidence to prove it. That's equally as bad.

It's possible for Jameis Winston to be a bad person and to have committed a crime against this woman without her being able to prove it in the eyes of the law. It's also possible for the girl to be lying or making up parts of her story.

Men shouldn't automatically assume one thing, and women shouldn't automatically assume the other. Again, it's not about men vs. women, it's about getting to the bottom of an accusation and finding justice.

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Mr. Yost

December 22nd, 2014 at 12:34 AM ^

Rapes go unreported for a number of reasons, not just because a woman doesn't want the embarrassment.

And rape doesn't equal woman either. A man can be raped just like a woman can.

And you're entitled to your opinion, I've already said that I have no opinion because I'm not educated on the topic enough to form an opinion.

However, when I read your opinion...I don't see anything that argues the other side that says she was a drunk college girl who slept with a football player and was (a. embarrassed, b. upset that others found out, or c. wanted money...or D. whatever other reasons people are saying what they think happened (in favor of Winston).

Maybe I'll read up some more, but I can say...yes, I do know there are instances of sexual assault that happen but cannot be proven. I can also say that girls and guys on college campus get drunk and have sex with each other - a lot, and many times they feel regret, shame, embarrassment, etc. the next day. I know men lie. I know women lie. I know different people have different motives.

In the end, I just hope these groups of law officials came to the correct conclusion. Because that's what's most important.

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MGoBrewMom

December 22nd, 2014 at 12:55 AM ^

And I am in agreement regarding the mob mentality. I also realize my opinion is only that..even though I'm probably being a jerk here, if I were part of an investigation or process I would follow it, and that's what judges and juries are for. I am admittedly biased, I am very close to people who have been sexually assulted but not taken seriously. So, I am a bit reactionary...that plus the guy comes across like a dick (imo) and it is my perception that the initial investigation never was taken seriously.

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HarbaughToMichigan

December 21st, 2014 at 7:18 PM ^

Serious question: outside of the unnamed girl's accusation, what evidence is there against him?  Seems that the nation found him guilty for being a black man with a white woman... can't have that can we?  That she was called "blonde" at every turn is both disturbing and an indictment of the racist state of the nation.  Treon Harris has the same accusation against him by a black woman and he's on the field the next week.  Quite different outcomes, no?

Remember when Michigan allowed a player to play for years after the same accusation?  Yeah, so do I.

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Mgoscottie

December 21st, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^

consistently present in all people.  You can look up just about any actual research on the topics and look at how kids perceptions of race have already developed by ages of like 3 or 4.  Everyone has racial influence on their perception and those who ignore it perpetuate the negative impacts of race.  Those perceptions impact small children with incredible consistency and that's not right and shouldn't be dismissed given how large an impact perception has on people (Rosenthal for example).  

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blackstarwolverine

December 21st, 2014 at 8:18 PM ^

About the little kids, I once worked at a camp in Montana. The questions little kids posed to me (a young, African American) was surprising, though they were innocent in nature(some of them intriguing--why are my palms "white"?). There are so many kids in the U.S. who have never interacted with people of a different race, and therefore have so many misconceptions (e.g. black people like games because they're good athletes). Of course it goes both ways.

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mgoblue0970

December 21st, 2014 at 11:34 PM ^

So when I've gone into to non-white areas, for volunteer work, and people ask me questions, does that make those people racist?  Of course not.

If the questions were innocent, why not just leave it at that?  Those kids had a great cultural exchange -- in spite of the chip on your shoulder.

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Mr. Yost

December 21st, 2014 at 10:25 PM ^

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
 
  1. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
    • prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
       
       
       


      1. Having a perception or influence of another race doesn't mean you think all members of that race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

      2. Racial influence doesn't have to be prejudice or discriminating towards another race. 

      3. Being influenced or perceiving anything about a race doesn't mean you believe your own race is superior to theirs.

      Your statement is completely wrong. It's offensive.

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mgoblue0970

December 21st, 2014 at 11:31 PM ^

Couldn't disagree more. Racism is still alive because there's money to be made off of it... not that anyone is predisposed to it or predetermined to be a racist. I see the brainwashing is complete with you. Words do not do justice to how offensive your comment is.

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rob f

December 21st, 2014 at 7:13 PM ^

might have major interest in seeing the Seminoles do well in the CFB Championships.  Like maybe suite-level tickets (isn't it fun to speculate about such things?)?

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philclar

December 21st, 2014 at 8:02 PM ^

Jameis is not the brightest or the classiest individual, but the media just wanted to assassinate his character. I don't claim to know the whole truth, but the whole account--based on what we know--should not enable us to brand Jameis a rapist after 3 investigations. After all, she changed her story multiple times, she told Jameis's friend to get out of the room mid-BJ when he wanted a 3-some, she told her friend she wanted to go home with a football player that night, she had a boyfriend, her family is not particularly fond of black people, she didn't transfer out of the fall class she shared with Jameis when she was offered to do so without penalty... 

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diag squirrel

December 21st, 2014 at 9:26 PM ^

You're a rube. Freedom of information request revealed the FSU PD emailed Winston's sketchy lawyer the report days before it was sent to the local prosecutor. That same lawyer then drafted the statement's Winston, Casher and Darby submitted. Playing defense is easy when you know what play the offense is running. Everyone involved will burn in hell. I hope the victim wins a $50M civil judgement against the university and Winston.

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mGrowOld

December 21st, 2014 at 9:46 PM ^

Right.  Because the noted judicial expert "PotRoastPotatoe" you link to says so.  Apparently if the lady posts on twitter as #cleatchaser she's a shameless slut who cant be believed but PotRoast - well we just know he has to be accurate.

Oh one more thing about your esteemed Mr. PotRoastPotatoe.   He's about as hardcore a Florida State fan as you will find.

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