OurYear2018GB

May 24th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^

That some high level recruits simply don’t belong in MSU’s system. (For example, why would the top WR in the country go to a Georgia Tech for instance).

But if we’re being realistic? Izzo is about to sit in the green room on national TV and see one of his guys go in the top 5 and another in the top 15. Shitting the bed against Syracuse aside, Izzo has a pretty solid NBA presence currently.

KungFury

May 24th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^

Those guys were predicted to be first round picks out of high school. Bridges came back for another year to build his stock and he is projected no higher than he would have last year. He has not elevated the recent guys draft stock.

BigBlue02

May 24th, 2018 at 3:24 PM ^

This is a really dumb take. Izzo benched JJJ in the Syracuse game for a senior who hadn’t played in months. Now that he’s going to get drafted in the top 5, something he could have done last year if not for NBA draft rules, and Izzo is some master at getting guys drafted high? I bet it’s also not Izzo’s fault he did the same thing to Deyonte Davis 2 years ago when they lost to MTSU, right? Izzo is a shitty human being and a shitty coach and I’m glad kids in Michigan are now seeing it. Beilein will pull who he wants and Izzo’s guys will start to choose DePaul and he can retire in shame. Fuck that little midget

BigBlue02

May 24th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^

Oh no, what would my unborn child think if they knew their dad said fuck on an internet message board? FOH on your high horse. Also, don’t tell me how to parent my kids. If fans and alumni cared less about the word fuck and more about why a shitty rape enabler like Izzo can coach for years at MSU, maybe I’d feel comfortable letting my daughter go to school there. Also, just because I used the word fuck doesn’t mean I am under the age of 16, it just means I have zero respect for Izzo. None. He can fuck off and retire. I mean, he already forgot about Travis Walton living in his basement while he was punching women in bars, so he’s got to be pretty close to being senile at this point, right?

Edit: also, way to completely ignore my actual point of him taking first round talent, benching them in the biggest game of the year, and hurting their draft stock. I bet JJJ wished he went to DePaul as well so he didn’t have to watch his college career end whilst riding the pine

OurYear2018GB

May 24th, 2018 at 7:05 PM ^

1. JJJ won B1G Freshman of the Year and B1G DPOY and his team won 30 games and a B1G title (Schedule was favorable, regardless they didn’t lose to Nebraska and Northwestern like we did. Took care of what they needed to take care of)

2. I agree, clearly Izzo mismanaged the situation. It was poor

3. Keep proving my point you irrational lunatic. You think I called you out because you used the word Fuck? Look at you harboring so much hatred, it’s weak and pathetic. Let’s move past this petty bs and enjoy the run our program is on.

BigBlue02

May 25th, 2018 at 4:36 AM ^

Now it’s petty BS to dislike Izzo because he didn’t punish two kids for gang raping a girl? It’s petty BS because he lied about not remembering Travis Walton lived with him to make himself look better because Walton is an entitled piece of shit? You can fuck off too. I don’t hate Izzo, I think he’s a shitty person. And I can guarantee you I’m not a lunatic for calling Izzo on his shit.

JJJ being B10 freshman of the year was because he was a lottery pick before he went to MSU, not because of Izzo. JJJ succeeded despite shitty coaching, not because of good coaching. You would think someone as good as him would average more than 22 minutes per game, but he didn’t. Lol, Izzo sat the best freshman in the B10 for half the game. He did let Bridges throw up step back jumpers all year on his way to lowering his draft stock from last year

TrueBlue2003

May 24th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^

here for lack of development.  I don't think he is good, per se, but I don't think he's bad either.

As everyone has mentioned, he hasn't necessarily hurt the stocks of recent early entrants Davis, Bridges and JJJ. So he gets a push for them. Ditto Jason Richardson and Zack Rudolph.

Other than maybe Adreian Payne taking longer to reach his potential than expected (while still getting to the first round), I don't think anyone stands out as having been drastically underdeveloped by Izzo. 

He's had some relatively high rated recruits not get drafted but all of them that I can think of were rated highly because they projected to be good college players (which they were for the most part) but were never projected to be pros: Drew Nietzel, Mateen Cleaves, Paul Davis, , Matt Costello, Keith Appling, Brandon Dawson, etc.  He went through a long period of targeting those types of players after Richardson and Rudolph left so I don't think that should be a knock on his player development.

And he did get Draymond Green and Denzel Washington into National POY conversations/votes which was impressive in both cases considering what was expected out of them.

I think overall he gets a grade of "meets expectations" in terms of player development.

Beilein of course gets a grade of "wildly exceeds expectations."

EconClassof14

May 24th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

I agree I hope Izzo stays and takes his beatings, unless they replace Izzo with Fife whose even worse. I’m guess this is Izzo throwing his name out there to help his recruiting sales pitch “I’m an nba level coach”

EconClassof14

May 24th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^

I agree Fife isn’t the favorite to win the job but Izzo would pick Fife if it was up to him. Not sure how big the Izzo coaching tree is but it’ll be interesting to see what direction MSU goes in after Izzo. They may be best to hire an outsider mid-major riser.

Same with their football program where Narduzzi is a good fit but not sure if he’s proven enough at Pitt

Honker Burger

May 24th, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^

Just for reference:

Dantonio went 7-5, 4-7, 7-5 at Cinci before taking MSU job.

Paul Chryst was 6-7, 7-6, and 6-7 at Pitt before getting the Wisco job.

Narduzzi has gone 8-5, 8-5, 5-7 at Pitt, and Pitt has only really had 3 better seasons (2002- 9-4; 2008 9-4; 2009 10-3) since the early 80s. Seems like he is probably in line for the MSU job, which would be nice to be able to get revenge on him for the RR/Hoke era.

 

LSAClassOf2000

May 24th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^

On the radio, they phrased it more like "The Magic are interested in Izzo", which left it unclear whether or not he actually had any interest himself in bolting for an NBA job. 

That aside, I honestly don't know if his shtick would generate success in the NBA - I have this image of an Izzo NBA career either being the other Brad Stevens or a total disaster depending on how his message was received, and I have to believe the latter is more likely. 

RedRum

May 24th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^

and shit on UM, that would be one thing. I can deal with entertainment, but MK's schtick is this.

 

Assert outlandish, and overtly unrealisticly optimistic phrases about UMs atheltic endeavers. For instance, saying that Um will be coming off of back to back national championships in 2020 and how it is too bad for the current players for missing this future feat in UM excellence. Or as the one above suggests, Coach Izzo will never have success in march agian because UM is always going to beat MSU. I believe this idea is to bait unsuspecting MGBLOG users to agree with outlandish statements, which can then be used to illustrate how delusional UM fans are. 

The problem as I see it, is that if you don't like UM and want to troll us, be my guest. Be funny and original and it will be entertaining. Your schtick is intellectually dishonest, and it smacks of cowerdace. I would never pretend to be an OSU fan to fuck with their fan base. That is reprehensible behavior.  Going over to gloat after a win, still not great human behavior, but atleast one is doing so with the integrity of proporting one's true feelings.

If you would, MGBLOG members, I reccomend that we Neg the hell out of MK - it's not funny and adds no value.

Not that I add value ;-)

M Vader

May 24th, 2018 at 4:34 PM ^

I think he means he would be able to call through the entire month of March every year because the NBA plays all of march. If he stayed the msu coach he will possibly suffer a few more early tournament exits.

RedRum

June 2nd, 2018 at 7:43 PM ^

Believe my post conveyed confusion on MKs position. What I am asserting is that it is obserd to suggest that the only way Izzo coaches in March is if he leaves for the NBA. This suggests that UM is going to knock MSU off each year or that MSU will never make a tourney run again. I don't like MSU but they will be competitive next year. I hope UM wins but to suggest a guarantee from a guy who has a consistent record of outlandish predictions, Shea worship, and is clearly the second account of other bad actors is worthy of being called out. His post adds no value.

Mineral King

May 24th, 2018 at 6:24 PM ^

I'm so confused. You are either crazy as hell or dumb as hell.

The nba plays through march. I was saying he never gets to coach through march currently, because they lose in the first weekend every year.

Take some Risperdal perhaps.

Your avatar definitely checks out.

RedRum

May 25th, 2018 at 7:38 AM ^

Care to comment on the first assertion? Or to comment on the consistent rush to name calling?

Your assertion that izzo will not coach through March again is ridiculous. And it is your Schlick to take a normal UM position and extrapolate to the obsurd. Click on your history and read your posts. That is your pattern.
If I'm wrong and you do believe what you type, then under that condition accept my apology. I for one don't believe that to be the case. I am "standing up" to a troll so I get that an innocent observer will not be able to distinguish between the two.
Go Blue

ijohnb

May 25th, 2018 at 11:02 AM ^

people labelled him a troll a while back when he "guaranteed" Patterson's eligibility, that was about it I think.  You may have seen a particular thread where he was getting bashed, but nothing I have seen from him consistenty indicates that he is a MSU troll or anything like that.  He is a decent poster from what I have seen.

The joke is quite simple.  He is saying that since MSU gets ousted every year from the tournament pretty early in recent years, he does not get to coach through March.  Since the NBA season goes until late April, if he had an NBA job, he would be guaranteed to coach through March.  It was pretty simple tongue-in-cheek.  The rest of us got it.

It looks like in trying so hard to "stand up" to Mineral, you are actually beginning to act trollish.  I would let this go and move on, but that is just me.

RedRum

May 25th, 2018 at 11:12 PM ^

MK pretends to have knowledge of NCAA eligibility before the NCAA has the info. MK has a super secrete source, aka, fabricated nothing. I have no problem with a wide range of opinion. That is why I like this Blog. I'm tired of MKs scharade. It adds no value, is transparently dishonest, and ruins the thrust of the blog. ( I said thrust so i am expecting fauxmo to make a funny)

TrueBlue2003

May 24th, 2018 at 2:03 PM ^

and yes, his style/philosophy would be even worse in the NBA.  His tenure would likely be Rick Pitino-like.

He won't leave though.  Way too invested in his legacy at MSU and way too obsessed with winning basketball games for that University (such that he's happy that the entire community's obsesssion with winning sacrifices student safety) to jump ship now.  His legacy would take a huge hit if he left under these circumstances and he cares a lot about his legacy.

ijohnb

May 24th, 2018 at 2:23 PM ^

actually think his obsession with legacy increases the chances he bolts.  If he left for an NBA job, it would be a "prestige" move for him and he could avoid getting pummelled by Michigan and Beilein until MSU fans want him out and his legacy completely shot.  If he left for the NBA he could take the "pursuing the next challenge" angle, could maintain his "legend" status at MSU and live in retirement weather with no literally no expectations that his team would be any good. 

And it is the NBA so he would not even have to really "coach," he would just need to establish a trusty substitution pattern, get a technical for some random call every now and then and have a couple of snarky passive-aggressive responses prepared for his sideline in-game interviews.  He also would never really have to deal with any of the OTL allegations either.  If I were Izzo, I would be stalking Orlando right now for that job.

aMAIZEinBLUEinTX

May 24th, 2018 at 4:42 PM ^

Agree with ijohnb's take. Izzo could currently extricate himself from MSU while maintaining a semblance/modicum of a legacy there, which isn't guaranteed in the future.

In addition - 0% personal income tax rate in FL. 0 expectations, the floor is expected and anything above (i.e. a weak EC playoff run) would label him as an overachiever.

Also, he loves waterfront property - delivered a pie to him in North Shore Estates (offseason home) near Grand Haven/Spring Lake, right on Lake Michigan.  I can definitely see how Izzo could look at this situation as a life-preserver of sorts.

TrueBlue2003

May 24th, 2018 at 5:33 PM ^

be considered "pursuing the next challenge" at this point.  He's turned down way too many chances to do that for it not to clearly be running away from the OTL allegations and from a broken University that he claimed he wanted to help heal.

I think it would leave a lot of MSU fans resentful and damage his "legend" status if he left right now.

And I think he's far too prideful to think he should leave to avoid Michigan and Beilein.  He will want to stay so he can get back his mojo against M and go out on top, instead of look like he ran away scared (which it definitely would look like right now).

For someone not so tied to the University - Pete Carroll at USC, Calipari everywhere he's been - it would be a no brainer decision professionally to get out now, but Izzo does love MSU.

Just my opinions though.