OT - "It begs the question"
I know that there are a great many students of all levels on the MGoBoard, in addition to many post-graduates who are interested in writing. There are STEM students who, despite their technical orientation, wish to learn better writing and communication skills. God bless them all. There are liberal arts students whose future careers in education, journalism, the law, etc., depend upon being skilled communicators.
One of several basic grammatical mistakes that I see in comment writing at MGoBlog is the misuse of the syllogism, "It begs the question." People -- young students, I presume -- frequently write, "it begs the question," when they really mean "it raises the question."
This issue of misuse comes up so frequently, that a web site was devoted to the annoying error. And then, linking to that site, Roy Peter Clark of The Poynter Institute took the time to write this post at Poynter.com.
So don't be a jerk, and misuse the phrase, "it begs the question." Underclass students in English composition ought to know this. No self-respecting professional should commit this mistake in usage. The only explanation for the error seems to be people who think that they know a little bit about writing, and who want to appear sophisticated, but who are in fact poseurs.
February 1st, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:16 PM ^
You'll understand when you've been here a while.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:42 PM ^
Well i been on this site since 09, so if I was ever going to understand I assume I would have by now.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^
Um accept you seem to expecially care....
February 1st, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^
I do agree with the OP. It kills me everytime I hear it used wrong. And I ONLY ever hear it used wrong.
An easy example of how the informal fallacy is to be used and one that hits home: "Man, we have zero rushing yards because 'we just suck' at rushing the ball". This person has begged the question with such a statement. They have begged, well, why do we really have zero rushing yards? Or, why do we really suck at rushing the ball? They both mean the same thing and the above "we suck at rushing" doesn't really answer why we have zero rushing yards.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^
A-
You answered the begged question. Well done.
A- because my class is hard, no one gets an A+.
February 1st, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^
The question is mute...
(that's the one that really pisses me off)
February 1st, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
I can't hear you.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^
I assume you mean the question is moo. Like a question raised by a cow. It doesn't matter. It's moo.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 3:55 PM ^
Mirriam-Webster disagrees: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beg (see definition 2). This looks like a case of maybe it meant only one thing years ago, but common usage trumps all.
For all intensive purposes, though, I could care less about you're post on this topic.
February 1st, 2014 at 3:58 PM ^
Or, you couldn't care less? Think about it.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
Well, you missed the "all intensive purposes" and "you're". He did all of that on purpose.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^
Spot the other two errors in my post, GoBlu, and I'll give you an upvote!
February 1st, 2014 at 8:59 PM ^
One hundred years ago, calling someone gay meant that person was happy and carefree. Now, thanks to common usage, it means homosexual. I don't know how long ago "begs the question" was first used by someone who meant "raises the question," but at this point "begs the question" is almost universally used, and understood, to mean "raises the question." Those few holdouts who insist on sticking to the original definition should stop being such pre-Madonnas, IMO.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
c. to suggest that a question needs to be asked: the firm's success begs the question: why aren't more companies doing the same?.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/beg
Could a jerk be defined as one that assumes everyone should be a student of logical fallacy?
February 1st, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^
Irregardless.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^
that's worser.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:01 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
I have a belly button.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^
You should probably make a thread about this too
February 1st, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^
Do you think he's a damn peasant?
February 1st, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:02 PM ^
I'm of the view that language is correct as long as it conveys the user's intended meaning. Yes, there are rules and those can frequently be "broken," but the whole damn system of human communication is centered on lingual rules being borken ad infinitum.
Long story short the OP's complaints may be valid but are also uselessly pedantic and will affect little. It literally makes my head steam.
February 1st, 2014 at 5:54 PM ^
Pics of your head steaming or it didn't happen.
February 1st, 2014 at 6:04 PM ^
I am bald. I can make this happen.
February 1st, 2014 at 6:06 PM ^
Haha... fair enough.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^
It's a common phrase people use in conversation and everyone knows what it means. I've heard some of the most intelligent and succesful people in the world use the phrase.
Barack Obama uses it on a regular basis for instance.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2012/10/19/why-obama…
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/04/17/statement-preside…
February 1st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^
Well this thread is just the gift that keeps on giving.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^
Not touchin' that one!
February 1st, 2014 at 7:32 PM ^
Intelligent? Successful? I'll leaf that one alone.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^
Descriptive or Prescriptive Grammar?
I'm normally a prescriptivist, but in this case the logical, common sense way of understanding the phrase trumps the ancient origin of the phrase. But the more I think about it, do apostrophies really matter? Great, now my mind is completely bottled.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^
February 1st, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^
Bunch of savages in this thread.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:15 PM ^
WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR DEFINITE ARTICLE.
IT'S "A BUNCH OF SAVAGES" YOU FRICKEN NEANDERTHAL
February 1st, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^
While I understand your larger point about there being a difference between formal language and more relaxed language, "it begs the question" has a precise, technical meaning. Using it to mean "raises the question" is at best unclear (whereas my informal use of language was not).
February 1st, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^
For some reason, your name/avatar makes me more inclined to agree with whatever you're stating. Good choices.
February 1st, 2014 at 11:39 PM ^
His avatar makes me head the voice of the owl in the tootsie pop commercials. Which begs the question, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
February 2nd, 2014 at 11:11 AM ^
Don't you pay attention? The answer is three.
February 1st, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^
BOOM Y'ALL JUST GOT LIT UP CUZ!!!!