OT - Game of Thrones Episode 4 Open Thread

Submitted by MGoBender on April 21st, 2013 at 9:17 PM

Open Thread on Episode 4 of Season 3.

Please no book spoilers - I'd recommend/request you start a separate thread if you want to discuss the episode in relation to the books. Mucho gracias.

Nice open with Jaimie's hand hanging around his neck.


An Angelo's Addict

April 21st, 2013 at 10:31 PM ^

Everyone seems to be missing one of my favorite characters... Grandma Tyrell! She is hilarious, love that woman! 

Definitely best episode of the season so far. I was hoping for some clarfication, was Theon's "friend" that saved him working for the Stark's the whole time or was he actually working for the Greyjoys? Was his plan to bring him back to the tower the whole time or was it just when Theon ultimately told him he chose the wrong side that he chose to give him back to the torturing?

One Inch Woody…

April 21st, 2013 at 10:42 PM ^

The point with the Theon material is that it's supposed to be deliberately confusing - Theon has no idea what's going on... he only knows that he was being tortured, escaped, caught again, almost raped, and then tricked by his "friend" into coming back to the torture chamber. It's not making sense to Theon, so the viewer also doesn't know what's going on.


April 21st, 2013 at 11:15 PM ^

And trust me when I say I think at this point it's supposed to be hard-ish to tell.  But I will say you have enough information at this point to make an informed guess.  That scene with Theon admitting that Ned Stark was his father figure was absolutely incredible for me.  Alfie Allen gets props for some really good acting there.


April 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 AM ^

But Alfie Allen is making a name for himself with this role.  I loved his stuff last season, but what he's doing this season also shows his range.  He's bringing dimensions to Theon that I don't feel we see as clearly in the books.  And what's more is he's doing it with limited screen time.  This is one of the best things I think D&D have done with the show this season.

Monocle Smile

April 21st, 2013 at 11:45 PM ^

We haven't seen much of Jamie Lannister's code of ethics since he punched out the soldier who speared Ned's leg, but we're starting to get a few more glimpses.

Sir Friendzone hasn't had much dialogue thus far.

I already miss Jon Snow. In the books, Ygritte is not attractive. Well done, sir.

Lazer with a Z

April 22nd, 2013 at 11:18 PM ^

I always got the impression in the books that she wasn't much of a looker. However, I'm glad they made her attractive, and it doesn't really affect the story in any way. 

Taken from the GOT wiki page. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ygritte



Ygritte is nineteen, and described as short for her age, skinny but well-muscled, with a round face, small hands, a pug nose, and crooked white teeth. Her most distinctive feature was her fiery red hair. The wildlings consider red hair to be lucky and describe those with it as having been "kissed by fire." [1]

Despite her unconventional features, Jon Snow sees her as beautiful.



Blue in Yarmouth

April 22nd, 2013 at 9:10 AM ^

I wondered how this would play out on TV and figured it couldn't be done, but this episode was amazing. The ending actually gave me goosebumps if I'm being honest. I do find myself constantly being a critic of the show while comparing it to the book, but I have to say that despite the many subtle differences, I really love the show as well. Like many others, I often watch each episode at least twice. Can't wait until next sunday night.


April 22nd, 2013 at 10:12 AM ^

Yea, there are things that kind of irk me because it doesn't seem like there is a reason for changing it from the book, but they seem to nail all of the big events by either keeping them true to the book or making them even more awesome. I find myself getting upset of small things, but then I realize that the show becomes more potent when they cut out the endless chapters of people walking places. I always thought it was kind of cool (but kind of boring at the same time) that people seemed to cross paths and just miss each other without realizing it. However, cutting the crossing of paths between Arya and Jaime ends up being a very good change because otherwise last night's episode (and next week's...:D) would have had to wait another week or two for the additional meaningless events. So, I've been trying to keep myself from comparing it to the books because, even if they aren't identical, they are both fantastic in their own ways.


April 22nd, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

I think the show is able to counteract one of the books' major shortcomings, which is the difficulty understanding the simultenaity of all of the plots that Martin has going on, because the show is not obligated to the chapter form that Martin kind of has to use. In the books, certain characters disappear for hundreds of pages, creating a sense of "what was Arya doing again" for me everytime a long silent storyline popped up again. In the show, they can intercut short scenes to keep characters "alive" for viewers, even in episodes where they don't feature prominently.

The expansiveness of Martin's plot is going to pose the biggest issue for the showrunners in upcoming seasons. I'm expecting they're going to have to engage a pretty significant smashing together of books 4 and 5, which seemed to overlap temporally (as well as hopefully editing out some storylines).


April 22nd, 2013 at 1:47 PM ^

Yea, it seems that they are moving ahead with certain storylines, though, and leaving some behind. I think that certain characters will start their book 4/5 storylines in season 4 while others will still be finishing up their book 3 storylines. I think that's how they are going to try to cut through some of the dullness at the beginning of books 4 and 5. Essentially, certain characters start their dullness in the later books while other characters have exciting things going on from the end of book 3. Then, as book 3 wraps up, exciting things from books 4 and 5 start to happen. I really think this is the only way they are going to be able to fit the best parts of all of the books into seasons of this size.

Smash Lampjaw

April 22nd, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^

and I can't believe this thread is still active. From UM News Service: "U-M prepares for Zombie Apocalypse". It's about time the School of Public Health takes this threat seriously. I am half way through World War Z, and the threat seems grave indeed.


April 22nd, 2013 at 6:00 PM ^

Some of his critiques can come off as snobish (he doesn't like to accept that some shows/movies aren't trying to be literary pieces of art), but Andy Greenwald at Grantland writes up excellent recaps/analysis of the GoT episodes.

Also, he's never read the books and writes it solely as a viewer of the television show, which is good for us that are not ahead of the series in any way.

His recap of last night's episode is great: