Clarence Beeks

December 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 PM ^

I actually think this is a pretty good selection for ticket sales. Sure, Northern Illinois won't travel, but there are a lot if Florida State fans who can't travel all the way up to Tallahassee for Florida State games (it's 7.5 hours - almost 500 miles - without traffic). Florida State fans will snatch the tickets for this game up like hot cakes.


December 2nd, 2012 at 5:04 PM ^

For whatever reason it just clicked to me that OSU being ranked #3 in the AP poll means they are ahead of FLA and Oregon.  I realize FLA and Oregon both have a loss but FLA lost to #6 Georgia (and beat FSU, LSU, Texas A&M, and South Carlina) and Oregon lost to #8 Stanford (and beat Washington, Arizona, USC, and Oregon St).  OSU has not beaten a single top 15 team.  Does anyone think OSU would beat Oregon or FLA?  OSU should be #6 IMO.


December 2nd, 2012 at 5:05 PM ^

Predictor ratings:

  • 1. Alabama 98.96
  • 2. Oregon 95.72
  • 3. Notre Dame 93.16
  • 4. Kansas State 93.06
  • 6. Florida 91.32
  • 9. Stanford 88.83
  • 14. Florida State 86.24
  • 20. Wisconsin 83.39
  • 41. Northern Illinois 77.22
  • 60. Louisville 72.25

Predicted spreads (ignoring possible home field advantages for teams playing near home):

  • Alabama 6 over Notre Dame
  • Oregon 2 1/2 over Kansas State
  • Stanford 5 1/2 over Wisconsin
  • Florida State 9 over Northern Illinois
  • Florida 19 over Louisville


December 2nd, 2012 at 5:13 PM ^

OMG Utah can never beat mighty Alabama.  OMG Boise St can never beat Oklahoma.  OMG TCU can't hang with the big boys on the big stage.  OMG Kansas can't hang with Virginia Tech.  OMG West Virginia can't hang with big-bad Georgia.

Do we never learn?

I bet N. Illinois wouldn't have lost to the lowly Wolfpack earlier this year.  Let them play the game; they'll be just fine against the all-mighty Florida State.


December 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 PM ^

For reference, Boise's non-conference results when they beat Oklahoma:

Boise 45, Sacramento State 0

Boise 42, Oregon State 14

Boise 17, Wyoming 10

Boise 36, Utah 3


TCU 30, Oregon State 21

TCU 62, Tennessee Tech 7

TCU 45, Baylor 10 (I think  RG3 was hurt by this point)

TCU 41, SMU 24

Closer analogue, the Hawai'i team that got crushed by UGA

Hawai'i 63, Northern Colorado 6

Hawai'i 49, UNLV 14

Hawai'i 66, Charleston Southern 10

Hawai'i 35, Washington 28

Darth Wolverine

December 2nd, 2012 at 5:15 PM ^

Whatever happened to surprises? Some people like watching the bowl selection show without knowing the opponents. This is almost as bad as the real reporter who prefers to be the first to announce something, despite being correct.

Perkis-Size Me

December 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 PM ^

the orange bowl always seems to be the biggest joke of the 4 major bowls. why let it stop now, i suppose? i'm inclined to pick an fsu blowout. but then again, its fsu.


December 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 PM ^

For the reference  of the MGoBoard, per SBNation,  the complete table of confirmed and to-be-decided as of a little after 5 PM EST.  You will note that Michigan State is listed as going to the much-touted Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl to face the Big 12 #4. 

Bowl Date City Team Team
BCS National Championship 1/7/2013 Miami Notre Dame Alabama
Fiesta 1/3/2013 Glendale Kansas State Oregon
Sugar 1/2/2013 New Orleans Florida Louisville
Orange 1/1/2013 Miami Florida State NIU
Rose 1/1/2013 Pasadena Stanford Wisconsin
GoDaddy 1/6/2013 Mobile MAC Sun Belt 2
BBVA Compass 1/5/2013 Birmingham SEC 8/9 Big East 5/C-USA
Cotton 1/4/2013 Arlington Big 12 2 SEC
Heart of Dallas 1/1/2013 DUHH Purdue Big 12
Outback 1/1/2013 Tampa Michigan SEC
Gator 1/1/2013 Jacksonville Northwestern Mississippi State
Capital One 1/1/2013 Orlando Nebraska Georgia?
Sun 12/31/2012 El Paso Georgia Tech Pac-12 4
Music City 12/31/2012 Nashville N.C. State SEC 7
Liberty 12/31/2012 Memphis Tulsa Big East/SEC 8/9
Chick-fil-A 12/31/2012 Atlanta Clemson SEC 5
Pinstripe 12/29/2012 New York Big 12 7 Syracuse
Kraft Fight Hunger 12/29/2012 San Francisco Arizona State Navy
Buffalo Wild Wings 12/29/2012 Phoenix Big 12 4 Michigan State
Armed Forces 12/29/2012 Fort Worth Air Force Rice
Alamo 12/29/2012 San Antonio Big 12 3 Pac-12 2
Russell Athletic 12/28/2012 Orlando Rutgers Virginia Tech
Meineke Car Care 12/28/2012 Houston Big 12 6 Minnesota
Independence 12/28/2012 Shreveport SEC 10 ULM*
Military 12/27/2012 D.C. ACC 8 San Jose State
Holiday 12/27/2012 San Diego Pac-12 3 Big 12 5
Belk 12/27/2012 Charlotte Cincinnati Duke
Little Caesars 12/26/2012 Detroit MAC Big Ten 8
Hawaii 12/24/2012 Honolulu MWC-WAC SMU
New Orleans 12/22/2012 DUHHH UL Lafayette ECU
Las Vegas 12/22/2012 DUHHH MWC 1 Pac-12 5
Beef O'Brady's 12/21/2012 St. Petersburg Big East 6 UCF
Poinsettia 12/20/2012 San Diego San Diego State BYU
New Mexico 12/15/2012 Albuquerque Nevada Pac-12 7/WAC
Idaho Potato 12/15/2012 Boise MAC 3 Utah State



December 2nd, 2012 at 5:32 PM ^

FSU lost to a mediocre NC State team and barely beat GT. NIU could beat them. Plus who cares about who plays in the BCS anyway. Half the time the teams that make it don't deserve to be there.


December 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 AM ^

weren't both of those teams you know undefeated? There is something to be said for only being able to beat the teams you play, but when you lose to a bad iowa team that sort of thing changes.  In addition both boise and utah had already had a few years of success at that point, not just a sympton of an easy schedule and a down year when you go undefeated or with 1 loss for a few years in a row.  This NIU team seems more like that Hawai'i team that got stomped by georgia than a boise or a utah, hell even hawai'i had a better history of success to back up their claim to actually being a pretty good team.


December 2nd, 2012 at 6:09 PM ^

Good for the Noles.  They deserve this game after that extremely tough schedule they played this year...

Murray State, Savannah State, Wake Forest, South Florida, Boston College, Miami, Duke, VaTech, Maryland, Georgia Tech with losses to Florida and 7-5 NC State.

Maybe this was on purpose.  If you play that kind of schedule, you deserve to play against a MAC team in your bowl game.  Just the fact that you're ranked 13th with that kind of competition is extremely generous. 


December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 PM ^

Now we see the problem with guaranteeing a team a BCS berth if it makes a certain ranking... because I have little doubt that many of the pollsters said, "you know what, let's put Northern Illinois in the BCS."  In other words, the system changed the voting patterns, which it should not do.  Hell, the announcers at the MAC CG were pretty much unable to hide their enthusiasm for Kent State with the assumption that Kent State would go to the Orange Bowl if they won.


December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 PM ^

As much of a joke this is (NIU ranked higher than Michigan? Northwestern? Nebraska? Who knows), the $$$$$ that this program and the MAC will get is great for them. The MAC is a lot more than those Tuesday night 60-55 shootouts, I'm pretty sure that of all non BCS-AQ conferences they have the best record when playing against AQ conferences (I'll look for the stat). They've produced lots of professional level talent, and I'm all for seeing these non Big Six football conferences get better, for the competitive balance of football and for the occasional upset. Except for Toledo....

I'm pulling for the little guy in this one. Hopefully some exposure and a marquee win, albeit unlikely, gets some people fired up to take MAC football to the next level.


December 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 PM ^

over Louisville? Applying the arguments used upthread:

first, here's Louisville's OOC results:

  • 32-14 over Kentucky (2-10)
  • 35-7 over Missouri St. (3-8, FCS)
  • 39-34 over North Carolina (8-4)
  • 21-17 @ Southern Mississippi (0-12)

Not too impressive if you ask me--that last result is far worse than NIU's close loss to Iowa back when Iowa still had a couple of running backs. Credit for nipping UNC at home, though.

And here's the MAC against the Big East head to head:

  • Kent State 35, Rutgers 23
  • Cincinnati 52, Miami 14
  • Toledo 29, Cincinnati 23
  • Pittsburgh 20, Buffalo 16
  • Western Michigan 30, Connecticut 24
  • Connecticut 24, Buffalo 17
  • Ball State 31, South Florida 27

If a one-loss MAC team shouldn't get in because they're in the MAC, how do you justify a team with two losses in a conference that had a losing record against the MAC? Even the Big East co-champions had a losing record, combined,  against the MAC.

NIU is 19 spots ahead and 5 points ahead of Louisville on the Sagarin predictor, 19 spots and 6 1/2 points ahead of Louisville on the Massey power rating.


December 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 PM ^

Because the Big East has an automatic bid baked into the contract so there's not much we can do about that.  Yes it's dumb, and yes Louisville will also almost definitely be horribly outclassed by Florida (unless Florida feels like giving it away like they did against UL-Laf).


December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 PM ^

Northern has an automatic bid baked into the contract too.

I think the Big East thing bothers me more because those teams have names that would allow them to get consideration if they were actually any good. No Big East school (well, maybe going forward, but not up to now) could go undefeated and get sent to the Motor City Bowl.



December 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 PM ^

I guess I should be happy for the little guy getting some respect but I'm not sure why this year, all of the sudden, the MAC champion is getting love in the rankings. 

Marshall's 1999 team with Chad Pennington went 13-0 and Miami's 2003 team with Ben Roethlisberger went 13-1, both of those squads had better resumes than this year's Northern Illinois squad yet weren't even close to getting a BCS birth.  NIU, although they should have beaten Iowa in week one, did not really play anyone with a pulse until the MAC championship game.  And they barely escaped a 9 loss Army team by 1 point. 

I just don't think that resume deserves a BCS game. 


December 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 PM ^

Marshall finished that season #12, Miami finished #11. Under current rules both would have played in BCS bowls.

Instead, Marshall got sent to the Motor City where they whipped BYU and Miami got shipped to the GMAC Bowl where they beat the crap out of Louisville--if memory serves they were up something like 35-7 in the first half. Frankly, I think the current system would have been more fair in both cases.--those teams deserved a chance to be tested.


December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 PM ^

Yes, but that Miami team also lost to Iowa thus invoking our "Any team that loses to Iowa is rendered ineligible for BCS selection rule."


I kid, but I do wish those teams got tested. I wish there was some way to match up a top MAC school in years when they do have a team like this with a Big Six school that isn't just going to the Little Caesers Consolation Prize/Congrats You Only Got Six Wins Now Go Fire Your Coach in the Next Year or Two Bowl.


December 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 PM ^

I expect FL to curb stomp Louisville with their defense. They might have only 100 yds of offense and still win 20+. They had 29 yds in the first half vs Soiuth Carolina and still notched 21 points. Muschamp will turn them loose.

FSU should pummel NIU but the Seminoles are notorious slackers. Win by 10 with sloppy play by FSU.

Once again we are robbed of great regional match-ups like OKLA vs Florida or Oregon vs Georgia to test schemes and top coaches.


December 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 AM ^

Man FSU couldn't of had it any easier. Georgia 'navy' Tech followed by NIU for a BCS trophy, not to mention the atrocity that is the ACC that they got to play all year. If we were in the Big Least or the ACC we would have went to back to back title games. I would never endorse such a move but holy hell they had an easy ride.