OT: Former Rutgers FB Player from Michigan Charged with Murder
August 8th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^
from the article about the good kid part. But the horrible decisions part is quite clear. It's such a waste of what could have been a great life.
August 8th, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^
It's a waste of what could have been a great life for the victim as well.
August 8th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
In no way am I defending this guy; I don't know him at all. But what I can see from the social media environment, this is a case where just about everyone is saying, "Oh my God, I cannot believe this. Such a good guy. Could this be a mistake?" That kind of thing... So just to be clear, if he's tried and convicted and found guilty, he desires life in prison (if it was truly premeditated, etc.). It just sounds like it may have been a decent kid who somehow fell off the straight and narrow very quickly.
August 8th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
but I love these sort of "feel good" stories first thing in the morning!
August 8th, 2017 at 10:22 AM ^
August 8th, 2017 at 10:24 AM ^
he probably won't think it's a big deal
August 8th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
...and I'm sure The Fugitive will claim the guy's innocence.
[insert meme here]
August 8th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^
August 8th, 2017 at 10:33 AM ^
Torn, should have finished his education, he did try to support his son but sounds like in the worst way possible.
Baby momma drama, don't get anyone pregnant until you can provide for them, or college is over.
August 8th, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^
"The killing appeared to be revenge in connection to another homicide, according to the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office."
August 8th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^
Went to high school with the young man, even had a class with him. Everyone from the community is in shock, he really did seem like a nice, hard working guy growing up. Just another example a few bad choices and decisions ruining lives.
August 8th, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
August 8th, 2017 at 11:05 AM ^
August 8th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^
I think if you have enough money to afford the best legal counsel, you can be forgiving for quite a lot. Just ask OJ.
August 8th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^
just what exactly is a good person though? Everyone can be good sometimes and bad other times, which is why people always say things like "so and so was a good kid". I don't believe anyone is absolutely good or absolutely bad, and it doesn't help to think in absolute terms. That said though, ending someones life is the worst thing you can do.
August 8th, 2017 at 11:15 AM ^
With Sr. He was a good guy. Served in military. We are friended on FB, but havent spoke in yrs. As a parent, I could only imagine the horror of it all.
Doesnt matter what the dad is like. If a child kills, they have to pay the penalty for taking a life. Wish it hadnt happened. Best wishes to those who have had family members killed(said pay back murder).
August 8th, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
We sure did have some great people around us back at SW. Of all the teachers, I would give the nod to Mrs Berent as best in the school.
Races got along pretty well. The kids had parents that benefitted from GM, even if not directly, money flowed in the city.
Fast forward to what is going on in Flint today, and it makes me sick to think of. So many schools shut down, or in Codys case, tore down. A guy I grew up with now teaches military kids at Gitmo for DOD...kept getting layed off yearly working for Flint schools, and couldnt get his time in.
Unsure if you are handling Jrs defense, but for Srs sake, I hope the police got the wrong guy in this instance.
Evan
August 8th, 2017 at 11:21 AM ^
August 8th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
Truth be told, Lester Gene Liston Jr. is a fantastic name.
August 8th, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^
But "a good kid who made 'bad decisions'" has to be one of the stupidest phrases in the English language.
Starting a food fight in the school cafeteria is a "bad decision." Deciding to double-up on smoking if you're pregnant, have heart disease, or lung cancer is a "bad decision."
Murdering someone in a revenge killing is a decision that gets you the death penalty in some states.
August 8th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^
He explains in another article attached to the link how he wants to give his son the world and how his son should never have to want for anything. That'll be tough to accomplish for your son when you're doing 25 to life behind bars.
I don't think this is a "good kid making horrible decisions." A good kid making horrible decisions would be vandalizing cars, skipping classes, TP'ing houses, etc. Murdering a man in cold blood goes well beyond that.
I hope he finds a way to atone, as he'll have a lot of time to think about how he can do that when he's sitting inside a jail cell. But not only has he ruined his life, but he's the victim's life and that victim's family. He's ruined his son's life, who will now have to grow up without a father (presumably without a mother too since Liston had full custody). He's ruined his whole family's life.
What a waste.....
Don't know enough about the case yet, but your description of "good kid making horrible decisions" is somewhat generous to him if he is guilty and eventually convicted of murder.
Revenge killing is not exactly the calling card of good character.
"Revenge killing is not exactly the calling card of good character."
Year of Revenge II would obviously be an expert source.
"Liston was in the doghouse repeatedly during his sophomore season. He was held out of the first two practices of training camp last summer because he failed the preseason conditioning test. Then, he was suspended for the fourth game of the season for failing to meet the team's study hall requirements. And Liston clashed with linebackers coach Bob Fraser numerous times last season, according to a person with knowledge of the situation."
Not buying the "good kid" description to begin with. To borrow a phrase from Don Brown, Liston's arrow has been pointing downward for quite a while.
I don't know or care anything about the details or truth of this case or this person, but using your kind of "evidence" of character you'd describe Serpico as the bad guy!
Just because people clash with or have trouble with others doesn't automatically mean they're the bad guy.
If you try to be honest, to make sense, to care about justice, to speak out or stand up to or against bad rules or laws, unfair enforcement or treatment, or bullies, racists, exploiters, demagogues, fascists etc. you will have all kinds of trouble with all kinds of assholes and be accused of all kinds of bullshit.
Not that any of that applies in this case, I have no idea and I doubt it, but your reasoning is horrible.
The "good kid" probably didn't want to be red locked....I mean red shirted!
kid drove all the way to New Jersey to learn to make bad decisions... he could have went an hour away to East Lansing like evryone else who makes poor life choices.
partnership is coming to fruition. Meyer seems to just bring out that killer instinct in players.
August 9th, 2017 at 12:03 AM ^
grown up in the cauldron of Flint's socioeconomic problems there probably isn't much room for anyone to judge someone here.
Terrible thing on all accounts.