OT - former MSU players plead to "Seduction of an Unmarried Woman"

Submitted by Brhino on April 4th, 2018 at 3:24 PM



Josh King, Donnie Corley and Demetric Vance on Wednesday each pleaded guilty to a charge of seducing an unmarried woman. King also pleaded to a surveilling charge and admitted he shared videos of the alleged victim on Snapchat.


Amazing, considering that all three of them were facing up to life in prison. Pleading down to a crime that sounds like something people forgot to remove from the books in the 1920s suggests the way-too-cozy relationship between the MSU athletic department and the Ingham County court system is continuing, but if you listen to the victim's lawyer, it's actually worse than that:


Karen Truszkowski, a Lansing-based attorney for the victim, said her client was not interested in speaking publicly about the situation because she wants her identity to remain private. “Part of the reason she doesn’t want to go public at this point is what has happened to the women in the Nassar case,” said Truszkowski, referring to the more than 200 victims in the Larry Nassar sex abuse scandal. “They have been crucified. Not by the media but by members of the Board (of Trustees), etc., and she is not willing to deal with that now,” the lawyer said. “They have been awful to those women … the comments that some of board members have made and the way MSU has treated them.”

"Welcome to MSU! Our leadership is committed to victimizing our students and then slandering them so shamefully that they're better of staying silent afterwards.  But it's okay, so long as Dantionio keeps beating Michigan."



April 4th, 2018 at 3:32 PM ^

Yes, that one comes with a much heavier punishment of stoning. Although the severity of the sentence also partly depends on how the woman was dressed when the crime occurred.


April 4th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^

If you put yourself in the mindset of the time period I imagine this law was written, if she had been married they probably would have hauled her off for adultery.  


Seriously I did a little more reading.  Best as I can tell this law is Section 750.532 of Act 328 of 1931 of the Michigan Penal code.  It's tucked in there between "it's a felony to injure someone during an attempted bank robbery" and "it's a misdemeanor to operate a slaughterhouse within 20 rods of a highway".

Yes, rods.  


April 4th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^

Here is the whole statue:


"Punishment—Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 5 years or by fine of not more than 2,500 dollars; but no prosecution shall be commenced under this section after 1 year from the time of committing the offense."


They could be sentenced to recieve a 5 dollar fine and no jail term (with time served). That seems insane, considered how out of touch the above is with what happened.

Winchester Wolverine

April 4th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

What the fuck kind of charge is that? Isn't "seduction" how normal men and women get involved with eachother? How in the fuck is violence and sexual assault 'seducing an unmarried woman'?


April 4th, 2018 at 4:00 PM ^

This is not my area of expertise, and this is just my opinion as a citizen and not a professional, but i think the crime here is harm to reputation of the woman. The statute says it is a crime to "seduce and debauch any unmarried woman."

The only way that will withstand scrutiny is if there is an element of deception or damage to reputation involved. Such as perhaps taping a non-consensual sexual encounter and circulating it, as an example (and I am not saying that is what happened here, necessarily). Or maybe if you pretended to be a woman's boyfriend, for example, that would be to "seduce and debauch" (perhaps among other crimes).  

Arb lover

April 4th, 2018 at 4:53 PM ^

They also taped and one guy distributed a video of the incident, so he's additionally getting charged with that.

So disturbing that the prosecutor even has the video of the non-consentual act but isn't willing to take it further, and they agreed to allow them to plead down to what is essentially a littering charge, something most guys have done in one form or another.


April 4th, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^

Not sure how it’s been interpreted lately, but this law was clearly drafted as a way to protect a mans right to keep his daughter a virgin, not so much to protect rights of the unmarried woman. It’s the purpose of the term ‘seduction’ - the girl has no agency.

This was written at a time when a man could have forcible, non-consensual sex with his wife and it would not be considered rape.

So I’d be shocked if your interpretation was shared by a court.


April 4th, 2018 at 5:52 PM ^

I am not sure how it's been interpreted either, I was just suggesting a construction that would make it enforceable. The intent, I think, was to protect the reputation of the woman, whose marriage prospects would be damaged by being seduced and debauched. Secondarily perhaps it reinforces the patriarchial norm that men are responsible for their daugthers. But it's not a tort wherein the father would be compensated, nor does it provide any right to a father (unlike early common law).

The attached suggests that the seduction laws (such as Michigan's) were intended to criminalize lying about intentions in order to have sex with a woman (e.g., promosing marriage). That would support the construction. 




April 4th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

What the hell happened? Judge Aquilina is usually pretty gung ho about convictions, especially where doing so might get her some attention.

Now 3 rapists are going to avoid, if I read correctly, jail time or even a fucking entry on their records.

Keep your daughters away from MSU.


April 4th, 2018 at 5:24 PM ^

About 17 years ago I remember reading an article from a woman who was protesting Eric Knott among the tailgaters at MSU. Knott was the MSU football player who raped a girl in high school and was still playing at MSU.

She was dumbfounded by how many people took offense to her and how many people said "but he is a good football player." This is a nationwide issue.


April 4th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^

...were dismissed from the football team when charges were filed and subsequently expelled ahead of this plea deal. Lots of inexcusable behavior in East Lansing and clearly there is a culture problem, but I don't think this case is very good at supporting the narratives about AD concealment or lack of consequences.

True Blue Grit

April 4th, 2018 at 4:35 PM ^

in East Landfill goes beyond the borders of the University.  There are clearly enablers in the law enforcement (what a joke that name is in Ingham) community there.  It's unclear who they are.  But it would at least partially explain the actions of MSU officials doing little or nothing on these cases.  They simply have no fear of any consequences and they're able to keep their jobs if everything is kept in the dark.  The State of Michigan needs to set up a satellite office in East Landfill so they can start uncovering the layers of filth in the "justice" system there.  

Arb lover

April 4th, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^

The background information not mentioned here that people are thinking about is that the former Ingham county prosecutor who wiffed for years at charging football/basketball players with anything more than a littering charge for recorded physical assault and battery, got a giant pay raise and now works as the lead compliance officer for MSU. The current prosecutor is well aware what job opportunities await her if she does the same.


April 5th, 2018 at 8:38 AM ^

These guys were not immediately dismissed from the team when the accusations first surfaced.  They remained on the team for months, albeit under suspension, pending charges actually being filed.  Had nothing come of this criminally, there is no doubt that Dantonio would have welcomed them back.  Nevermind that the incident itself was completely distasteful and reflects poorly on MSU because boys will be boys.

Dantonio has consistently shown that all standards are flexible and subject to compromise in the pursuit of winning  He is a textbook example of the moral bankruptcy that exists in major college athletics today.