OT: Eric Ebron Opinions

Submitted by MGoVoldemort on May 9th, 2014 at 10:07 AM
What are your thoughts on the Lions taking Eric Ebron?

Comments

MGoVoldemort

May 9th, 2014 at 10:09 AM ^

Eric Ebron was not the perfect pick, but he was a good pick. At that point in the draft there wasn't a perfect pick left. Of course the Lions need a cornerback and an edge rusher, but they simply weren't there. The Browns reached wildly for CB Justin Gilbert, and the Vikings took OLB Anthony Barr the pick before Detroit. Without a viable trade option, no defensive player at a position of need that was left was a top 10 worthy player. Dennard, the guy all Lions fans were clamoring for didn't go until the 20's to Cincinnati. So if he was a guy that the Lions had to have, why did 6-7 secondary needy teams also pass on him as well? Clinton-Dix, Pryor, and Donald all were several picks after the 10th slot.
The NFL is about mismatches on offense, and that's exactly what Ebron will help create. In the slot Ebron is a nightmare, and the affect it will have on the rest of the offense will be very positive.

umjgheitma

May 9th, 2014 at 10:10 AM ^

I just think with such a porus defense you need to add talent to it. Clinton-Dix or Dennard I think was the pick there....hell, even Aaron Donald. After the Lions, 16 of the 22 remaining picks were defense (Minnesota moved up to take Teddy at the end otherwise I'm guessing Seattle goes with D as well).

bronxblue

May 9th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^

Clinton-Dix and Dennard felt like stretches at 10, and I'm not sold Dennard is going to be appreciably better as a corner nor Dix as a safety than what they already have.  

I don't think you can read much into what players were taken later on; Ebron wouldn't have dropped much farther, and frankly the offensive talent in this draft is robust but not particularly dominant.  I suspect there will be a run of WRs and RBs taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

gbdub

May 9th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

I never really got the "he's a stretch at that pick" complaint. You need your first round picks to be hits, and generally expect them to play quickly, so you take the guy who will help you the most. So what if a draft wonk had the guy going off the board 10 picks later? Unless that pick belongs to you or you can trade down for it, that's worthless to you. It would be stupid to take a guy that won't offer short term help for your team just because Mel Kiper ranks him higher. I guess there's a possible exception for when a guy is so good it will be valuable to trade him or whatever good veteran you have at the position of non-need.

I think concerns that the Lions could have traded down and either still gotten Ebron or taken one of the defensive backs. And that's valid, but it takes two to make a trade and the whole problem with the Lions spot at 10 was that there was no one available that anyone was desparate to grab at that spot.

Ebron is an instant upgrade at a spot (receiving TE) that will get extra emphasis in the pass-happy Lions offense. The DB draft is a lot deeper, so the Lions have plenty of time to upgrade there too.

spacemanspiff231

May 9th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^

But that's the problem. We should have attempted to trade down. We didn't. Mayhew said there were no good offers but it's a lie. 20 seconds after they were on the clock they turned their pick in. They didn't even attempt to shop around after the previous pick was made. It was typical Lions drafting. It happens every year without fail. They have a list of top prospects and just go with the top guy on it when it gets to them. They rarely try to maneuver or play with strategy. Hell, even Ebron could have been had several spots lower. At the very least take him a few picks lower and get an extra 3rd rounder while you're at it.

TheCool

May 9th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^

I disagree. They don't have to wait until the clock starts ticking for their pick to listen to trade offers. They had been discussing trades for weeks now, testing the waters. Even during the draft before their pick they could discuss trades. If they'd waited another few minutes would something better had come up? Maybe, but far from guaranteed. Nothing was viable. I'm not sure how you can say they didn't try to trade down. Offers were discussed, they didn't like any of them so by the time it was their turn to pick, they made their selection.

Toby Flenderson

May 9th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^

I think it was a safe, solid pick. The lions were in a tough position because Gilbert and Barr were off the board. Drafting Ha ha or Dennard would be a reach so getting the best player available that will give stafford a great weapon in the redzone, where the Lions struggled.

I Like Burgers

May 9th, 2014 at 12:01 PM ^

Dude, the Lions have a LONG history of uber shitty QBs.  Everytime someone bitches about Stafford I want to slap them across the face for not remembering just how shitty things were before him.  Is he a top ten QB in the league?  Probably not.  But he's better than a lot of the starters in the league, easily one of the best QBs in franchise history, better than any QB we've had here in decades, I don't see a lot of better QB options for the Lions, and I sure as shit don't to go back to the carosel of turd slingers we had before.

So, one internet slap across the face for you sir.

NOLA Wolverine

May 9th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^

The Lions went 0-16 one year, so we'd have to be complete idiots to be even mildly upset with going 7-9 last year. I mean, they did better than a lot of NFL teams last year. 

They've hitched their wagon to a mediocre QB for an elite level salary, so excuse me for not enjoying the four + Sundays out of the year where he appears to have dislocated the thumb on his throwing hand before the game. 

mgoblueaustin

May 9th, 2014 at 2:19 PM ^

My issue with Stafford was his response to a question about whether or not he needs a QB guru/mentor to work with:

“Probably not,” Stafford said. “It’s not something that I feel would be my style or beneficial to me.”  Link

Really?  Elite performers in business and sports always look outside of their own four walls to gain an edge-  unless they think they've arrived. Dude doesn't think he needs to work; that his natural talent is enough.  He's wrong

 

HipsterCat

May 9th, 2014 at 10:18 AM ^

Donald was the only defensive player who would have been worth it at 10 and we already have suh and fairely so kind of a waste for a rotational guy. ebron is supposedly going to be our poor mans jimmy graham IE used more in the slot and as the pass catching tight end to pettigrews blocking tight end. 

Dawggoblue

May 9th, 2014 at 10:18 AM ^

Dennard was not a reach at 10.  The Lions could have taken him and no well repsected analyst would have questioned it.  Just because he slipped to 24 means nothing.  Manziel slipped to 22 and no one would have thought less of Jacksonville for taking him at 3.

 

I have no problem with the Ebron pick, but don't try to make it sound like it was their only option.

Dawggoblue

May 9th, 2014 at 10:34 AM ^

Care to cite any sources, or are we just going off of what you hear.

 

CBS had Dennard the top corner in the draft.

 

ESPN had him graded higher than Gilbert.

 

If Detroit felt that taking a corner at 10 was too high, they should have traded back.  Taking a position you don't need because the player is highly rated over a position that is a gaping hole on your team is what gets you fired more times than not.  Why don't you ask Matt Millen.

MGoVoldemort

May 9th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^

So why did he drop to the 20's? I'm on my phone so I can't go searching for this stuff, but most of the sites you listed had Ebron going in the top 12. The coverage the entire day leading to the draft had Buffalo, Tennessee, Pittsburgh as teams Ebron would likely land.

Dawggoblue

May 9th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

You go and make the statement, now you want me to do the research.  Fine.

First off there wasn't 6-7 teams after Det that needed a CB.  A couple needed a S.

 

Secondly, CB was deep.  The difference between Dennard, Gilbert, Fuller, Verrett wasn't all the great. 

 

In another post you cited the ravens as having passed.  But they took the ONLY first round ILB in the draft.  Wasn't alot of depth there.  So do you take a great ILB and get a CB later that is still decent, or do you take one of many CBs and then settle for a mediocre at best ILB.

 

So lets go in order after DET

TEN  Didnt need CB

NYG  Didnt need CB

STL Didnt Need CB

CHI  Took a CB.  Guess they had Fuller graded higher.

PIT Could have gone CB, but that would be more of a future need, not immediate.  They have CBs, just getting old.  Needed LB help

DAL Didn't need a CB

BAL  Took the only First Round ILB

Jets Needed a S

MIA Needed OL Badly

NO Needed a WR

GB Needed a S

CLE Already took Gilbert

KC Didnt need a CB, made an awful pick.

Cinci, Took Dennard

 

So I count 3 teams that needed a CB.  PIT, BAL, CHI.  CHI took one.  PIT and BAL took other positions of need.

 

 

 

 

 

 

RobSk

May 9th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^

Dennard and Ebron with the same rating, 92.

Indeed, they had Ryan Shazier (who went 15) at 92, as well as Kyle Fuller (CB who went 14). So I disagree with you completely that there were no defensive players worth taking. I believe any of those 3 guys is FAR more of an upgrade over the current Lion in their position than Ebron is over Pettigrew/Fauria.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/rankings?year=2014

IMO, this was not a good pick at all.

     Rob

alum96

May 9th, 2014 at 11:20 AM ^

I think Shazier will be very impactful in the NFL.  Impossible right now to say who is or will be a better pick, these things take 2-3 years to figure out.   There is probably some corner who gets drafted in the 3rd round who comes out better than Fuller, Dennard, or Gilbert.  "Value" is just that - if a guy comes in and starts for you for 10 years and makes 4 Pro Bowls does it matter if you pick him 8th or 23rd?  You'd be happy to take him anywhere.

Dawggoblue

May 9th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

If you know anything about the NFL draft, you'd understand why that statement is stupid.

How many of those dozen teams needed a CB?  How many of those teams that needed a CB also needed something else and went that direction instead.

 

Once again, if Jacksonville had taken Manziel, it wouldn't have been a reach.  He fell all the way to 22.  You are wrong.

michigan fan 1976

May 9th, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^

here'e the thing guys most analysts who follow the lions have stated the lions are loving the young corners on there roster already they have drafted like 12 in the last 4 drafts so they have plenty and we all know cb takes the longest to develop so from what i gather by that comment is that the lions want to develop what they have, they still may draft a cb but it wont be to be a starter, and there is no need at S unless you are talking about depth quin and ihedigbo will be fine back there, i still think they take a safety though but only for depth purposes so can we all stop getting in a tustle about our secondary and trust our organization, lets see how the new coaching staff develops sopme of these young guys before we get all upset about certain picks

Reader71

May 9th, 2014 at 6:20 PM ^

Need should be low on the list of priorities when drafting. It is way below "good player".

I'm not a Lions fan, and I don't know the first thing about Ebron. But if the kid can play, the team will find a way to use him. Good players are valuable. You simply cannot have too many good players at a position, aside from maybe QB.

I do think they need help in the secondary, but why do fans tho that biggest need = 1st round, second biggest need = 2nd round, and so on? Get good players. Your team will improve.

Cobalt2970

May 9th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

When it comes to talking the draft nothing is more annoying than the anecdotal evidence of "Tom Brady" argument.

The further you fall in the draft the less likely that player will be successful. Fact. Are their counter examples, yes, but to base arguments on them is dumb.

ca_prophet

May 9th, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^

And how about the Reggie Bush, Mario Williams, and Vince Young draft? Despite everyone castigating their pick, turns out the best of the three went first.

Draft analysts have agendas - usually, generating more views for their pages - which aren't shared by the teams. Incompetence is possible - as we know all too well - but don't make the mistake of thinking an MSU corner who looked great against us was a slam dunk pick for the Lions. He just doesn't grade out that highly despite playing in a press system.

bronxblue

May 9th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^

I don't think anyone at these organizations give a crap what a bunch of gurus have to say about who they drafted; they know what they want and they draft for those needs.  But Dennard would have felt like a reach to the Lions I'm guessing, and that's all that matters.

As for Manziel dropping to 22nd, his ascension felt as much a product of media hype than anything he showed on the field and workouts.  He has lots of skills, but I never watched him in college and thought "that guy is going to be a top-5 pick in the NFL draft."  That said, I don't think any QB in this class was particularly good, and Bortles at #3 kinda shocked me.

Dawggoblue

May 9th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^

They don't care what gurus have to say.  But we are talking amongst us.  When it comes to me and you discussing who is and isn't a reach, I am inclined to believe that ESPN analysts know more than you and I. 

The Lions didn't say he was a reach. Voldemort did.  Mel Kiper doesn't agree with him.  Sorry if I am taking Kiper's word over Voldemorts.  I supposeyou could stop taking your car into a mechanic and just get automotive advice from MGOBLOG too.

 

Mind you,  I didn't say Ebron was a bad pick.  I simply said Dennard would not have been a reach at 10.

mGrowOld

May 9th, 2014 at 10:25 AM ^

"The Browns reached wildly for Justin Gilbert"

Maybe in they eyes of the talking heads but not here in Berea. He's the guy they had targeted (moved up one pick to get him) and bracketing him with Joe Haden gives the Browns a pretty damn good defensive backfield.