OT: Disney-FOX merger

Submitted by Sambojangles on

Lots of talk in the news this week about Disney buying significant parts of 21st Century Fox. It's not clear yet what exactly they may be buying, but it has pretty big implications for sports fans.

It looks like Disney could be purchasing the Fox regional sports networks. As a Detroit fan, it would be great to consolidate the Tigers, Wings and Pistons under the ESPN umbrella, where most Michigan football and basketball games are already broadcast and streamed. However, it sounds like Fox will be keeping FS1 and the regular Fox broadcast channel. 

Fox owns 51% of the BTN, and that may be moving over to Disney as well. IMO if the BTN got ESPN production value it would be an upgrade. 

Part of the reason the B1G conference has so much TV money is that they have been very successful in playing potential broadcasters off each other to get max value, which is why Fox started broadcasting B1G football this year. I thought an ABC/ESPN/FOX congolomorate would reduce the B1G's leverage at first, but after further reading it looks like they will stay separate for now.

Outside the sports world, lots of big movie franchises would move, and be unified, under Disney. This includes Marvel characters and all Star Wars movie rights.

The articles below have more information. The WSJ one in particular focuses on the impact to sports fans and cable subscribers/cord-cutters, and how sports TV rights are an important piece for anti-trust regulators to consider as part of the deal.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/13/if-disney-buys-fox-…

https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-regulators-penalize-fox-disney-deal-o…

superstringer

December 13th, 2017 at 1:29 PM ^

I read that one too. CNN also didnit like it.

But most others are extremely positive. I read a few that basically said, just go see it. As someone pointed out, Rotten Tomatoes has a massive score.

I will report back with my review when I have seen it like five times, so, by Tuesday.

Blue2000

December 13th, 2017 at 2:39 PM ^

I have read 3 reviews, and two called it "competing for worst ever with Attack of the Clones." That made me really sad... 

Per RT, it's getting stellar reviews: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi. 

But putting that aside, two of the three reviews you read used the exact same language in comparing it to Attack of the Clones?  I'm skeptical.  

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PB-J Time

December 13th, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^

This. While I do NOT think it is as good as its predecessors, it is a good movie in its own right. GF3 biggest problem is the name. People expected it to be one of the greatest movies of all time, which the first 2 are, and it just couldn't live up to that

ijohnb

December 13th, 2017 at 11:52 AM ^

don't think it did itself any favors by having the opening part of the the movie try to "mimick" the celebration/party scenes of the first two films.  It tried really hard to establish the same "gravitas" as the first two movies by just setting up a similar structure but those first scenes were poorly edited and poorly written and worked against it.  The longer the film goes on it creates an identity of its own and ends up being pretty memorable on its own terms, IMO.

teldar

December 13th, 2017 at 10:30 AM ^

I enjoy movies without blatant political agendas. If the writing is good and there is good acting, great. If it's a mediocre to poor movie because it is pushing political views, eh. I don't feel women should be objectified or minimized in society, but I don't necessarily feel the continuation of a storyline which has becomes part of American culture necessarily needs to be one of the soap boxes. I haven't seen it and haven't read any reviews. I just want a good movie. Which would, in my opinion, be a change from the last 4 from the main sequence.

CRISPed in the DIAG

December 13th, 2017 at 10:41 AM ^

I generally agree with you re the overuse of storylines or tropes (like, every TV series needed a Don Draper a few years ago; or Dirty Harry in the '70's). But generally, what's happening in Hollywood is a reaction - a valid one, imho - to the overwhelming number of dominant male heroes and male-centric storylines thru the ages. I'm not a Star Wars or comic book fan, so I'm not as familiar with the genre. But I suspect it's been the same everywhere.

There's a point where things will balance out via market forces. But this is probably a social correction that was overdue. Sorry about the politics.

teldar

December 13th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

As far as Marvel goes: I think they were written by guys who read the comics 20 years ago, like I did. They're trying to stay true to the comics. I've envoyed them as a series more than anything else ive ever watched, as a series. They've been great. Spiderman: Homecoming has quite a few things changed. But the movie was great. I don't feel like there is a sociopolitical agenda in the Marvel movies. As far as DC? I'm not sure. I was never a DC fan. However, the Wonder Woman movie was great. And it was directed by a woman. Which is great. But the best thing about it? It was a very well done movie, I think. Not sure about the particulars. But it was a great movie. I enjoyed it. Which is the important part as far as I'm concerned. I'll get my politics from speeches and news. Sports and movies don't have to wade into that arena.

Dennis

December 14th, 2017 at 7:23 AM ^

There's one 'S' in History... which is why I laugh when people wear those embarrassing t shirts that say "Herstory". If the logic actually followed, they'd say "Hertory"... and that don't make no sense... just like you bitches.

The Mad Hatter

December 13th, 2017 at 5:33 PM ^

It's a fact. Like it or not, the world we live in was built by men. Until very recently, the vast majority of all cultural, technological, and artistic achievements were thanks to the male half of the species. I'm not a MRA or anything, and I think it's great that we live in an era of increasing equality and opportunity for women and non-white males, but history is what it is.

MGoNukeE

December 13th, 2017 at 3:24 PM ^

What is easily forgotten is that very few men actually achieve the level of importance and significance to be included in the story of history. If given the choice between average male existence and average female existence I'd be tempted to pick average female existence for the longer life expectancy and inherent value to society from possessing the more scarce resources needed to create the next generation. 

A2toGVSU

December 13th, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^

I called out a tone deaf poster for being whiney and tone deaf. But since you brought it up, it makes me laugh that the only people who are upset about Hollywood's more frequent portrayal of strong leading women are the same crusty old tone deaf MFers who whine about "liberal snowflakes" or "social justice warriors." Every time a man references the cultural war on men, my reaction is twofold: 1) um, no. You're just super insecure. 2) I'm sorry your dick is so small.

ijohnb

December 13th, 2017 at 11:20 AM ^

probably shouldn't have posted it here.  At this point, I think it is just something that needs to be pointed out, where possible, in any discussion where it remotely fits.  The societal appetite right now to watch people burn could be a very concerning development if not checked and I think very few people either understand that or think it is OK to vocalize it.

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yossarians tree

December 13th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

Yes to this. These are times when those of us lucky enough to receive a classic liberal arts education need to show ourselves HIGHLY skeptical of any sweeping witch hunt ideology. This is not to dismiss it all outright--just to question it squarely. This can be harder than it sounds, unfortunately.

ijohnb

December 13th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^

on your post below, it occurs to me that you may not have a fully realized understanding of the Handmaiden’s Tale. It is not “hysteria” to seek to require some substantiation of guilt before a person is castigated from society and stripped of all dignity, it should be an absolute societal requirement. To disagree with that is to become the “hysteria” yourself. Neither accused nor true victims benefit from guilt by accusation, both end up losing. Some people have admitted to doing very bad things, some less bad. Some have admitted things, others have denied, others have yet to be heard from. The rule of law is the paramount thing in the discussion, and to label that as “hysteria” tells me that your understanding of the issues involved is incomplete to say the least. (Though I will agree that Hatter has a bad take on this entire topic).

CRISPed in the DIAG

December 13th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^

I've had 20 years of dealing with personnel issues that inlclude six (6) sexual harassment complaints - including one on-going. This gets me pretty close to understanding the "rule of law." FWIW, I never made a decision to suspend or fire a man due to an accusation. They never reached that point because somebody gives up their employment. One of the following occurs - ( 1) he quits; 2) she quits; 3) they both quit. My investigations in every case led me to believe there was substance and guilt involved.

And those are the ones that get reported. Many don't because grievance procedures and "rule of law" is time consuming and most women (not to mention their careers) can't withstand the "societal pressures" that accompany making accusations. "Rule of law" will take time to catch up to an accuser's willingness to participate in the due dillegence.

There will be a backlash (hysteria) because that's what white men do when confronted with threats to their power structure. We can get into my understanding of The Handmaiden's Tale now - if you want.

ijohnb

December 13th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^

actually don’t think we need to now. You used the rule of law, with air-quotes, like it is something to be mocked. I can tell we aren’t getting anywhere now. The law takes time, the law rejects assumptions, the law assumes there are two sides to every story, and it wants to hear both of them before making up its mind. That is the way a civilized society works.

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CRISPed in the DIAG

December 13th, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^

I used the quotation marks to directly reference your terminology. Why would I mock the "rule of law" ?  

You're right - "we" definintely aren't "getting anywhere now." Just read my last post. Or don't.

lbpeley

December 13th, 2017 at 11:23 AM ^

people who use the "your dick is small" bit are the ones with the small dicks. 

Also, who truly hates a movie JUST because there's a female lead? I get that dipshits like you just NEED to scream at anyone that doesn't agree with you and spew drivel about mysogyny, or anti feminism, or racism, or old white guy syndrome. You won't listen to anyone's argument. "Welp, someone doesn't like what I like. Hey! It's got a strong female or minority lead! That's gotta be the reason why! Let me see your dick!"

I haven't seen Wonder Woman. Probably won't. But it won't be because I don't want to see a strong female lead. It's because the super hero genre doesn't do it for me. Up until I heard both sides bitching at each other for the rise of a strong female/minority lead in the latest Star Wars movie, I never even gave it a thought. Not everything has to be some stupid ass fucking "statement" on the political spectrum. You will not die if you just go to a gotdam movie and fucking enjoy it for what it is. 

CRISPed in the DIAG

December 13th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^

That's fine, but the "stupid ass fucking political statements" upthread are mostly being made by dudes who want to see movies/tv/comic books/video games starring dudes who do dude things to other dudes. Unless said dudes are having sex with attractive naked women. Then all the dudes are happy. 

I'm not even getting into the post-hysteria over women standing up to rape and sexual threats. Not going there.