OT: Diaspora?

Submitted by bamf16 on

Last night and this evening, the Tigers are playing the Pirates at PNC Park, and I've seen A LOT of Tigers gear on people walking through my city the last couple days. It got me thinking.

We Pittsburghers loathe when national TV comments about "how well Steeler fans travel" because most of those fans DIDN'T travel; they live in those cities now as a result of the diaspora (as some of us call it) created by the collapse of the steel industry throughout the 1970s. I'd be a lifelong Pittsburgher if not for my father losing his job as a part of the early 80s economic collapse here causing us to move away for a few years. We Pittsburghers are well represented in the DC area, down through Charlotte, and into Atlanta, across the Sun Belt, and even in Denver.

Before Googling this, I talked with some Tigers fans downtown today and heard a story about father-son ballpark trips before school started, students attending Pitt & Carnegie Mellon, etc, but figured I'd cast a wider net here. Am I seeing the result of some Detroit area/Southeastern Michigan movements as a result of some of Detroit's recent economic issues and the changing economy in Pittsburgh? Am I reading far too much into this? Or was it just that random groups of Michiganders sought a long weekend in Pittsburgh?

(The Red Wings fan base is also represented quite well at Pens games; yours' is one of our favorites to interact with for a myriad of reasons, like the memories of the hard fought 08-09 Cup Finals, your passionate and largely knowledgeable fans, and you're not giant douches like the Flyers fans.)

bamf16

August 8th, 2017 at 9:00 PM ^

Yeah, God forbid we move towards being Renaissance men (or women) and maturely discuss things other than sports.

Or we could just click on the practice reports links and ignore the OT ones, no?

 

(In all honesty, I saw something, talked with some folks on the streets, was curious, and after Googling and doing some reading wanted to learn more about an observation and how it might relate to what I saw happen with my own city. When people here want to comment on Pittsburgh's economic troubles, they "proudly" cite how much worse we had it in the early 80s than Detroit does.)

LSA Aught One

August 8th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^

Nissan opened their Headquarters in Nashville in 2006. This was a huge draw for Big 3 corporate types when the industry took a dump. The population in Nashville has been one of the fastest growing for the past 10 years.

Bando Calrissian

August 8th, 2017 at 9:05 PM ^

Pretty much a daily occurrence if you live in Chicago, mostly with Tigers/UM/MSU gear, but the occasional Wings or Lions, too. Feel like half the damn city came from Michigan.

Gulogulo37

August 9th, 2017 at 6:05 AM ^

I believe most people moved to the suburbs. But then in recent years when the last generation or 2 has graduated from college and wants to live in a big city for some time (or a long time), they've gone to Chicago. That's my impression anyway.

And regarding the other argument going on here, I had never heard of diaspora being used solely or predominantly for Jewish people or in a negative sense. But after having looked it up real quick on Wikipedia, I see it often has a connotation of forced removal. Guess you learn something every day. Although now that I think of it, I guess I never hear about the French or English diaspora. But I have heard it in regards to other peoples who weren't forced to move, such as Koreans immigrating to America.

Random fact I've learned since living in Korea: Most ethnic Koreans from former Soviet territory are from Uzbekistan. Stalin basically forced all the Koreans in the USSR to move there.

Hotel Putingrad

August 8th, 2017 at 9:05 PM ^

but a lot of Michiganders moved to the Southeast for work around that time. Sometimes I wish I could go back home permanently, but then when I drive on Michigan roads at Christmas, those thoughts dissipate pretty quickly.

NFG

August 8th, 2017 at 9:15 PM ^

Not knowing what "Despora" is, I figured it had something to do with this summer's smash hit, Despacito.

I'm disappointed.

huntmich

August 8th, 2017 at 9:19 PM ^

I've lived in Philly and now Austin, and I travel a lot, for both work and pleasure. Michiganders leave. We are everywhere. Everywhere I go, there are Tigers bumper stickers, Michigan hats, Sparty t-shirts. It is most certainly a thing.

 

The Michigan economy isn't terribly dynamic, the weather is shite for 9 months of the year, state governance is questionable, there hasn't been a proper urban area in the state for decades. I love Michigan, especially the Great Lakes, the Dunes, the UP, Ann Arbor. But there's basically no chance for me to return and find a living in my field in anywhere in the state I want to live. I'd love to move back to Ann Arbor, but it's not happening anytime soon.

 

Also, I'm really looking forward to football starting back up so we can have real, new things to talk about. 

huntmich

August 9th, 2017 at 10:08 AM ^

Ever lived anywhere where there's sunshine in the winter? It makes Michigan feel a dark, dreary, and foreboding place during the october-april months.

 

Also, don't take it personally buddy. After you've tried living somewhere else you realize the things you didn't realize you were suffering through.

 

I'm not attacking you or your way of life, so don't get so defensive. But I'm telling you that there are legitimate reasons for a Michigan diaspora that are greater than purely economic.

lbpeley

August 9th, 2017 at 11:19 AM ^

At least the good riddance part. That was supposed to be a little more light hearted than written. I stand by the pansy-ass though! 

I'm in the sun 9-10 months out of the year up here. I can deal with <32 temps for a couple months of the year. Winter is rad.

Vengeful Barbarian

August 9th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^

winter is not rad. I moved to California from Michigan a decade ago, and that first non winter was fucking awesome. being able to hike around in shorts and enjoy a sunny beautiful day pretty much anyday in January and February is amazing. if you've never experienced living somewhere else in winter then you have no frame of reference.

jmblue

August 9th, 2017 at 2:08 PM ^

Or maybe some people have different personal tastes and like having a change of seasons?

Christmas in California feels a bit lame, with all the Santa decorations that make no sense in that climate. The months and months with no rain and subsequent water rationing get old after a while, too. (Also: horrifically bad traffic and real estate costs.)