OT: Chicago Tribune Columnist Isn't a Fan of the Lovie Smith Hire

Submitted by BursleyHall82 on

Interesting take from Steve Rosenbloom of the Chicago Tribune on the Lovie Smith hire at Illinois. He's not a fan. He said Lovie is no stranger to having "criminals" on his team: "Yeah, Smith can do the criminal thing, even if he has some catching up to do when it comes to the master, Urban Meyer."

He also calls Meyer and Harbaugh the Big Ten's "rock stars," while referring to D'Antoni and MSU as "the best garage band in the Big Ten."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/ct-lovie-smith-illinois-…

Ty Butterfield

March 7th, 2016 at 12:33 PM ^

Interesting hire, but is this really OT? After all Illinois is Michigan's biggest rival.

FauxMo

March 7th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

So would "Giant Snow Penis" OT: But a few years ago I came upon a website with the most hilarious band names. Here is the link: http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/quotes/funnyband.html There are some great ones in here, but I really like: -Amish Meth Lab -Fat Welfare Moms on Dust -The Go Kill Yourselves -Phil McAvity and his Gerbils

MayOhioEatTurds

March 7th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^

the right combination of musicians.  I haven't found them yet. 

But the name is a strong one as band names go, because it combines words that should never be combined, thereby creating instant revulsion (and therefore also interest amongst youth rebelling against prior social mores), it includes one word which is impolite in all circumstances, and because it is syllabically efficient. 

"Rabid Cunt."  It has a nice ring to it.  Now if I can just find the right drummer and bassist . . . .

 

 

drjaws

March 7th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^

I'd say Dantonio is pretty good at the criminal thing too . . . like, letting kids that pulled guns play 3 months later, picking a kid up from jail to drive him to the game so he could play etc.

AZBlue

March 7th, 2016 at 1:04 PM ^

I am curious to see how this affects MSU going forward. They have done a great job with kids from the Chicago area - several per class it seems - and seem to rely on that area more than others from the B1G. If Smith could actually start pulling kids from his backyard it could ripple up to East Lansing.

Rabbit21

March 7th, 2016 at 12:38 PM ^

I have no words.  Smith is a good coach, is well known in Chicago, took the Bears to a Super Bowl, is far and away the best coach Illinois could have hired and represents a pretty bold move by the Illini and what comes of this is concern trolling.........  My head, it shakes.

Brown Bear

March 7th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

"The Bears canned him for not making the playoffs enough, and Smith acted like he couldn’t believe it. This, mind you, from the coach who fired defensive coordinator Ron Rivera after losing the Super Bowl and wagged the big verbal finger at Chicago to “trust me.’’

That trust resulted in one playoff berth the rest of his Bears career, his only career playoff berth since 2006.

The Rivera thing reminds me that Smith fires a lot of assistants. So many, in fact, that you’d think his motto was “I confess, it’s their fault.’’ The more power Smith collected, the less success there seemed to be."

He fired Ron Rivera who built that super bowl defense. Like the article says. He loved to fire assistants and never replaced them with an upgrade.

Sure it's the best Illinois could do but that's not saying much considering what a tire fire that program has been.



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JeepinBen

March 7th, 2016 at 12:51 PM ^

To be fair to Lovie, the Bears fired him after winning 10 games to bring in Marc Trestman. So it's not like Lovie's bosses were really the sharpest tools in the shed.

I think Lovie's a good (not great) coach. I think he's definitely a major upgrade for Illinois. That's about all I've got.

Bodogblog

March 7th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^

He laments Smith's NFL record, which I guess you're able to do.  But there's not much more. 

And the argument below is silly.  Who could they hire at Illinois that would be expected to recruit the number of kids Harbaugh and Meyer can?  Who at Illinois ever has? 

Smith should be able to close some deals. He has some charisma amid the condescension. He can win some living rooms. He will talk some parents into sending him their kids. Some. But not like the number of parents who want to send their kids to Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State.

lbpeley

March 7th, 2016 at 1:41 PM ^

Especially at the end with the rockstar and garage band paragraph. It's like he expected Illinois to go out and get someone even bigger and better than Meyer or Harbaugh. It's effing Illinois, dude. As it is, this could be their Dantoni hire with maybe not quite the ceiling.

Brimley

March 7th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^

Rosenbloom has made a career being a cynical crank.  The Trib columnist I really like, David Haugh (who was an all-conference safety at Ball State so he knows the game), had a piece Sunday explaining how this is a solid hire for Illinois.  He echoed what a lot of Mgousers said in the Lovie to Illinois thread (big splash for struggling program, etc.).

Swazi

March 7th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

It's a great hire for Illinois.  It's probably the biggest name/splash they could possibly get to go there.  Plus they're only paying him 2 mil per year.

 

That said, he has a .500 head coaching record in the NFL and hasn't coached in the college ranks in 21 years.  His offenses have almost always stunk.  

 

They'll be a perennial 7-9 win team, especially given they're in the easier division.

 

I'd rank him below Harbaugh, Urban, Ferentz, and DAntonio, and above Fitz, Franklin, Wilson, and the rest.

JeepinBen

March 7th, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^

It's $2M the first couple, but it does go up from there. I will do my best to avoid the "NO POLITICS" rule, but Illinois has gone without a budget for about 10 months and the state hasn't paid any universities any money. The optics of hiring the new highest-paid-state-employee to about $5M/year when some universities in the state are in danger of losing their accredidation may have played a factor.

Zoltanrules

March 7th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^

After watching the debates, I think the whole world has gone mad. Who does this writer think Illinois could possibly get? Nick Saban? I'm surprised Smith took it. Being a good coach with NFL ties and a minority will bring in better recruits. BIG10 coaching continues to improve and raise the bar.

I'm too lazy but no threads about the MMA bouts? Man good thing I don't bet on these matches.

GG Allin

March 7th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^

Lovie will have to prove himself. Yeah, he coached the pros but college is a completely different animal and he's been out of college for a LONG time. He's going to need a really competent college staff. Let's see how it plays out for him. 

MikeCohodes

March 7th, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^

The columnist in question, Steve Rosenbloom, used to live across the street from me. I used to babysit his kids when I was younger. He's definitely a sarcastic guy & he was not fond of Lovie so I'm not surprised by his take on this hire at all. That said, I think U of I couldn't have done a better job with this hire, even if the AD's method of firing Cubit was beyond tone deaf.

Sac Fly

March 7th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^

The bottom half of our conference is stuck in a MAC rut, but when one of them actually steps up to do something about it here comes some asshole who's trying way to hard to to be objective.

gord

March 7th, 2016 at 1:03 PM ^

Mediocre to bad NFL coaches like Nick Saban and Pete Carroll (he is good now but wasn't when USC hired him) can do amazing things in college.

Swazi

March 7th, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^

Nick Saban won a National Championship before going to the NFL and then returned to traditional powerhouse Alabama (Illinois is not a traditional powerhouse).

 

Pete Carroll also went to USC, a traditional powerhouse (which Illinois is not).

 

When Pete Carroll was hired, USC won the Rose Bowl 6 years prior.  Seems like an eternity, but Illinois hasn't won the Rose Bowl since 1964.  Illinois has been to 18 bowl games in their program's history.  They've been to 5 Rose Bowls total.  Pete Carroll took USC to 5 Rose Bowls in 9 years.  USC has been to 33 Rose Bowls total.

 

Given the resources Saban at Alabama and Pete at USC were given compared to what Lovie will be getting at Illinois, your argument is fairly flawed.

gord

March 7th, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^

USC and Alabama were both mediocre when Carroll and Saban were hired.  They were the difference.  If Saban leaves Alabama you will see them drop off and you've already seen it at USC.  "Tradition" means nothing.  It meant nothing for Michigan the past 8 years.  It means nothing for schools like Texas and Miami now.  Illinois has plenty of resources to compete and you see other schools with less competing at the highest level because they have the right coach.

Swazi

March 7th, 2016 at 2:39 PM ^

From 2001-2006 (Shula/Franchione) Alabama went 43-32. 57.3%

 

Illinois in this time (Turner/Zook) went 23-47. 32%

 

USC from 1993-2000 (Robinson/Hackett) went 56-39-1 58.3%

 

Illinois would kill to be mediocre at this point.

 

USC is still feeling effects of their sanctions.

 

Lovie is good for Illinois, but he isn't going to exactly turn recruits heads when Harbaugh can recruit better on the NFL platform and Urban can recruit better on the winning/getting you to the NFL platform.

 

Lovie also has a pretty horrible history with coordinators/assistants.  In Chicago he had in 9 years 4 difference OCs and 3 different DCs.  None of them left for a promotional job. He fired Ron Rivera after they lost the Super Bowl.

gord

March 7th, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^

USC and Alabama were bad when Carroll and Saban got there.  I don't care what kind of arbitrary timeline you come up with to try to save your argument.  Alabama was 6-7 then went 6-6 Saban's first year and 12-2 his 2nd year.  USC was 6-7, then went 6-6 and 11-2 under Carroll.  Tradition and "resources" get you 0 wins in college football (see Texas, Miami, Tennessee, etc.).  Tons of traditional powers have had bad stretches in recent history.  The right coach at a school like Illinois can compete for Big Ten Championships and the turnaround can be fast.

STW P. Brabbs

March 7th, 2016 at 3:28 PM ^

You're moving the goalposts here. The argument is not whether Smith will bring Illinois to the level of Saban or Carroll's programs. The argument is whether he will outperform what he did in the pros considering the nature of the job he has. If Smith can make Illiois a perennial division contender in the B1G West, that's impressive considering the long-term state of that program. Anyone who expects him to do what Saban or Carroll did is bananas.

MGoBrewMom

March 7th, 2016 at 1:06 PM ^

with the band analogy. I find garage bands cool and interesting...I align Dantonio with a flash in the pan boy band/pop singer...something more like Bieber. pretty popular, not much substance, hanging around a bit longer than I like, but won't last forever.

boers21

March 7th, 2016 at 1:09 PM ^

There were two real criminals on Lovie's Bears teams. Other than that he ran a very clean program. He needs a certain type of player for his defense to work, and that will be his biggest challenge. His defense is predicated on rushing 4 and dropping 7. The guy is a very good coach that players love to play for. I think if he is given the time necessary, he can do some good things at Illinois.



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Sac Fly

March 7th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^

Lovie stopped running Tampa-2 towards the end of his Bears career. He stopped running it after Tommy Harris got hurt and they realized that the entire defense was dependant on a truly dominating 3-tech.

Towards the end they became very versitle bringing safeties into the box having their linebackers allign in the gaps. I would be very surprised if he went back to Cover-2 as a base in college.

Ali G Bomaye

March 7th, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^

This is great for the conference as a whole. For too long, the teams in the bottom half of the B1G been too content to hire the MAC flavor of the week as coach, and the success rates haven't been too high. 

That said, I don't know how Lovie's coaching game translates to college. He's famous for running the Tampa 2, which is a nonstarter in college. College safeties and MLBs don't have the speed and range to run the Tampa 2, and the spread offense/four verticals package that is so common in college absolutely destroys the Tampa 2 (which only has 3 players, at most, playing deep coverage). Lovie diversified his defenses a little bit over the last few years in Tampa, but it's still interesting that the scheme he is most famous for coaching is basically unusable in college.

In addition, I'm skeptical of pro coaches coming back to the college ranks. While (most) NFL coaches are obviously very talented, they also tend to be more conservative strategically, with obvious exceptions (Harbaugh). This works great at a school with a huge talent advantage (Pete Carroll at USC, Saban at Alabama), but at a school without that advantage (Wannstedt at Pitt, Chan Gailey at GT) it leads to a lot of OK-but-not-great teams.

gmoney41

March 7th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^

Is it me or is the NFL just a revolving door of coaches.  Mediocre coaches continually get jobs in this league after years of proven ineptitude.  I always see the same names jump from team to team, regardless of success.  I don't think Lovie Smith is a great coach, but for Illinois it is a slam dunk hire.  I mean, who else wants to go to Champiagn Illinois to do anything???