TheLastHarbaugh

December 31st, 2012 at 1:58 PM ^

Because despite having at least the second most talented team in the division the past few years, he has failed to make the playoffs since 2010, and has only make the playoffs once in over half a decade. 

Schwartz has taken the absolute worst franchise in the league, coming off an 0-16 season to the playoffs with 3 years. This year was an obvious disappointment, but the Lions have been ahead of schedule under his watch.

So, in short, different expectations.

TheLastHarbaugh

December 31st, 2012 at 2:31 PM ^

When he took over the Lions they were devoid of ANY talent (outside of Calvin). Just go back and look at the absolute non-entities that littered the Lions' 08 roster.

Daunte motherfucking Culpepper started 5 games for the Lions. Dan Orlovsky started 7 games and played in 10.

Rudi Johnson started the year off as our starting running back. For the love of god people, Rudi Johnson. He was replaced by Kevin Smith.

As a offense we had more interceptions than passing TDs, and over 3 times as many fumbles as rushing TDs.

Our second leading receiver was Shaun McDonald(!). Our 3rd wideout was Mike Furrey, oh, you know, the defensive back. 

All I'll say about the defense is that they were so horrible, 4 years later and there is only one meaningful contributor from that team still playing (Cliff Avril).

A lot of Lions fan remark, "All of these other teams can completely turn things around in a year. Just look at the Colts or X team that went from last to first, why can't the Lions do that?" My response is, "OK, but the Colts' roster wasn't an absolute tire fire just a few years ago. We are talking about a franchise that was literally, and I mean literally in every sense of the word, devoid of talent."

Edit: You know what? I'm going to say more about that defense.

The starting members of the DLine were:

Jared DeVries

Chartric Darby

Cory Redding

DeWayne White

The starting members of the line backing corps were:

Ryan Nece

Paris Lennon

Ernie Sims

The starting defensive backs were:

Brian Kelly

Leigh Bodden

Daniel Bullocks 

Kalvin Pearson

It's going to take longer than 4 years to replace that level of awfulness, and that's just the defense.

Rhino77

December 31st, 2012 at 11:17 AM ^

I am a Bears fan, but Lovie to Detroit makes sense. He will could shore up the D, and bring class to the locker room. Perfect fit for the Lions...if he brings in a decent OC.

BOX House

December 31st, 2012 at 11:19 AM ^

10-6 is a pretty damn good season in the NFL. Expectations can be way too high for teams that have been spoiled with success (although maybe my expectations are just so low as a result of being a Lions fan?). I remember when people were calling for Tom Coughlin's head in New York before he won 2 super bowls.

MosherJordan

December 31st, 2012 at 11:40 AM ^

Not 10-6. 7-1 followed by 3-5. The Bears went from having a comanding lead in the North to missing the playoffs, with two more losses to the Packers who have just owned them during Lovie's tenure. As a Bears fan, I can't say I'm sorry to see him go.

That said, the Bears were a lot like Michigan this year, in that they both had terrible interior line play that all but killed a formerly productive running game, and turned their QB into a heave and pray river boat gambler type who was just as likely to throw a pick as a big play pass. Forte couldn't find any holes just like Toussaint couldn't find any holes. The Bears became one dimensional as a result (Culter to Marshall), and when the unsustainable tunrover margin afforded by the D failed, so did the Bears. Firing Lovie won't fix that, but it can't make it any worse.

V-Link

December 31st, 2012 at 11:59 AM ^

everyone seems to think the "collapse" down the stretch was a huge suprise. Their schedule before the season started was so predictable. The only games that went opposite of expected were the loss to SEA and game 16  @ DET.

What if they were 3-5 and then went 7-1? 10-6 is 10-6. They Bears are who we thought they were!!!

V-Link

December 31st, 2012 at 5:12 PM ^

going higher in the draft means nothing if you can't scout or develop players.

I bet SF is far happier with Alex Smith at #1 overall instead of A.Rodgers.  And once that 1st round is over, your draft spot really becomes irrelevant since everyone has had a shot at every player available. That's where you really turn your team around if you can draft guys like L.Briggs, F.Gore, L.Tillman, T.Brady, J.Tuck, etc. 

Brown Bear

December 31st, 2012 at 11:52 AM ^

10-6 isn't the problem. It's missing the playoffs 5 of the last 6 seasons and not being able to field an offense that ranks in the middle of the league for your entire tenure. His highest rated offense was 15th in the league, the year they made the Super Bowl. When they brought in a new GM last year It was just a matter of when not if he will get fired. Choking from a 7-1 start to missing the playoffs made it an easy decision.

madmaxweb

December 31st, 2012 at 1:09 PM ^

I can't answer that right now but Emery (new gm) was made to keep Lovie when he was fired. So this is a chance for Emery to get his guy in. We will hear a lot of rumors about ollege coaches and guys like Gruden, Reid, and others (Don't be surprised to see someone say Cowher, won't happen.) It all depends on what type of coach Emery wants, a young Cord, a good college coach, or a veteran proven HC.

M-Wolverine

December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 PM ^

And it's not your job, it's his. But you're either getting better or you're getting worse, and just making a change doesn't guarantee moving in the right direction.

If Gruden doesn't take a job this year with so many openings he never will. Reid might be an upgrade if he has anything left. Everyone else is just rolling the dice. Though if I were Saban and thinking of moving this would probably be the one I'm interested in with that defense, and a decent QB. One thing going for Chicago has is it's probably the best opening. Though you're not going to have a lot of control so that might scare off a big name. Last year's draft wouldn't convince me to put myself in someone else's hands.

madmaxweb

December 31st, 2012 at 4:05 PM ^

You are right on that. Even though I'm happy that Lovie is leaving I realize he is a hell of a coach. However, every coach has their faults and Lovie's was a bad one. Lovie became to loyal to his players and coaches and it got in the way of improving the team as he would always say our players/coaches are good enough we don't need to add anyone. If it wasn't for this part of him I really think he could have done a 100x's better than what he did.

MGoClimb

December 31st, 2012 at 12:11 PM ^

As a Packers fan (sorry everyone) I always liked Lovie Smith.  He ran the Bears with class, and I felt bad that he was seemingly always on the hot seat while in Chicago.  He's a good coach, and he'll find another head coaching job in the NFL.

WindyCityBlue

December 31st, 2012 at 1:31 PM ^

Yes!! Yes!!!

After going 7-1, not making the playoffs was a kick I the under carriage. He flat out lost the team and deserves the axe.

Plus, after getting a new GM last year, we knew major changes were on their way.

robmorren2

December 31st, 2012 at 1:39 PM ^

I'm a Bears fan, and I think Lovie was a great guy and a good face for the organization. That being said, I don't think he was capable of winning a Super Bowl. In the end, he was basically a poodle beater. The majority of his wins were against bad/young QBs and overall bad teams. He feasted on turnovers against bad QBs, which skewed his overall numbers. The Bears weren't really competitive with upper echelon teams. This year alone they faced four of the six NFC playoff teams and went 1-5 against them, with their only win coming against the 6th seed Vikings who they also lost to (Packers beat the Bears twice). In the end, it was Lovie's inability to assemble a competent staff that cost him his job. He had a very odd relationship with coordinators which included firing his DC (Rivera) after going to the Super Bowl, promoting the OL Coach Tice to OC despite never calling plays in his past, taking over as DC himself, hiring Mike Martz to coach a precision offense on a grass field with a gunslinger QB & inept Oline, and hiring his friend Bob Babich to fail miserably as DC. It would be great to be able to keep Lovie on the staff as the DC, but unfortunately that is not how things work. In the NFL you need an offense coach or a great offensive coordinator. The game and the rules favor offense. The success the Patriots & Saints have had with subpar defense are proof of that. Lovie needed a top 15 offense to complement his defense & special teams in order to compete for Championships ... unfortunately he couldn't assemble a staff that could produce those results.

madmaxweb

December 31st, 2012 at 2:00 PM ^

Lovie, vs team's with winning records, was 19-40. He was also loyal too much. He would consitently say "WR's are good enough we don't need to add anyone" "Our OL is fine, we just need another year" "Jamarcus Webb has all the potential in world he will be good" "Kellen Davis is a great pass catcher" "Mike Tice can call plays". All of those Lovie has said at some point even though not a single one is true. Before BMarsh our WR core was pathetic, same for the OL. Webb can't block a damn brick wall and Davis can't catch even if it was handed to him.

robmorren2

December 31st, 2012 at 3:44 PM ^

I couldn't agree more. Lovie could coach a very fundamental and opportunistic defense, but that is all he could do. His personnel decisions were terrible, his ability to assemble a staff was terrible, and his in game coaching decisions were terrible. He composed himself well and was very respectable, but he could not beat good teams often enough to win championships. Good guy, good defensive coach, bad head coach.

UofM626

December 31st, 2012 at 3:06 PM ^

Go get Cowher to be the coach. This makes perfect sense as this appeals to Cowher and w Wisenhunt fired in Arizona, Cowher will go out and get him and Grimm back together and they will take another run at it w the old Gang.

Either way those 3 w end up together somewhere IMO....

robmorren2

December 31st, 2012 at 5:48 PM ^

The Bears started off 7-1, but only 1 win was against a playoff team. That just happened to be At Home against the Colts in Andrew Luck's first game. Furtermore, the Bears only beat one other playoff team the rest of the year (1-1 vs. Minnesota). In the end, Lovie's "biggest" wins were against 2 wild card teams, a 5th and 6th seed -- one of which ended up splitting the season series and taking the final playoff spot from the Bears.

Teams Lovie Beat 2 teams over.500 :

  • Colts (11-5)
  • Rams (7-8-1)
  • Cowboys (8-8)
  • Jaguars (2-14)
  • Lions (4-12) [twice]
  • Panthers (7-9)
  • Titans (6-10)
  • Vikings (10-6)
  • Cardinals (5-10)

Farewell Lovie Lee "Poodle Killer" Smith. Good luck to you.

JMEISTER

December 31st, 2012 at 8:41 PM ^

a better coach than most will say.  Really, they haven't had a ton of talent in Chicago, they've just played very good D, and their D has scored a lot of points for them.  They haven't had a QB forever, and have done some stupid things with running backs (ie: trading Jones) and receivers (Hester).  If it weren't for the Lions discovering unbelievable ways to commit the NFL's most ridiculous  rules violations, they would have beaten the Bears at least 2 - 3 more times in the last 3 years.  Even when the Bears went to the Super Bowl against Indy a number of years ago, they were very lucky to even make the playoffs.  Their D scored so many points and they were very lucky to win 4 or 5 games early in that season that it was literally a miracle for them to get as far as they did.  Then it really showed it ugly head in the Super Bowl as they had their butts handed to them by Indy.  Lovie is a good man and a good coach.  Chicago just has nothing else and always thinks their football team should be in the Super Bowl.