Yooper

August 22nd, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^

Celtics gathering real players to compete now. Cavs decline has started and will continue. Maybe Lebron makes a heroic push next year but he's likely gone soon. I like the trade for Boston but credit Cleveland for getting real value. Credit Irving for a power play that definitely worked out for him.

B1G_Fan

August 23rd, 2017 at 4:39 AM ^

They really should and I bet they are thinking about it. Lebron did what he set out to do for Cleveland. He and his agent are contract frickin geniuses, they sign just long enough for a cap increase year where teams have more money. Lebron won't be one of those NBA stars gone broke stories, the guy is great with his money.

edit: Dang didn't see the no trade post

 

Mr Miggle

August 23rd, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^

LeBron either has to limit himself to teams that have the cap room for a max deal or take less to go where he wants.

For teams, if you have cap room you give him a max deal. Four years is the max length allowed, so that's a no-brainer. If they don't have room, then it depends on whether clearing space is feasible. The Lakers already gave away D'Angelo Russell to clear cap space for 2018.

Mr. Yost

August 22nd, 2017 at 8:39 PM ^

I'm not sure I get your comparison of Jordan to Durant - from a player standpoint or the support they had around them when Jordan won his 1st championship compared to the same point in Durant's career, but I know you weren't being serious.

But still why is he a "punk ass?"

Mr. Yost

August 22nd, 2017 at 9:02 PM ^

I don't mind the heat...but calling him punk ass is uncalled for.

Especially since I've met and been around him on more than one occasion. He's a GREAT guy, does a TON for his community, he's never been about himself - extremely well-spoken, honest, and himself. He doesn't have the ego you'd expect from an NBA superstar. People forget part of his decision was just for him and where he wanted to live.

I work in college athletics, I LOVE the University of Michigan...but if you gave me my pick of schools to work at in the country...I'm going to UNC. I like the University, I like Chapel Hill, I like the location within NC, I like the fact that the climate has 4 seasons, I like that there's a pro team in Raleigh. Chapel Hill is just a place where I'd love to go. For Kevin, that place happens to be Cali - especially northern Cali (I couldn't see him in LA).

On the court, he can also BALL. He may not be the best player in the world, but IMO, he's the most talented. (I also happen to think behind LeBron he's the 2nd best player in the world).

But whatever, just my two pennies...just didn't understand why he was a "punk ass." The guy I've met was just a cool person to be around.

Eastside Maize

August 22nd, 2017 at 9:16 PM ^

The Warriors won the ring 3 seasons ago. A season later they win the most regular season games in NBA history. That same season OKC has GS down 3-1 in the conference finals and then chokes that series. OKC was not a scrub team but I'm not upset that Durant left, I don't like that he went to the Warriors.

Seemed to me he wanted a shortcut to ring and he got it. He could've went to any squad, besides Cle and GS, and no one would've had a problem with it. GS was a couple plays from back 2 back rings and then you join them? Weaksauce.

Lou MacAdoo

August 23rd, 2017 at 1:03 AM ^

I think he went to Golden State because he liked the style of ball they played. They win because they play the game the right way, like a team. He was never going to win with Westbrook because he's one of the most selfish players in the league and refused to be 1b to Durants 1a. Watching them play together made me want to slap Westbrook. I love Durant's game and Golden State's style of play. They're a perfect match for each other. I can't hate them. Well except for Draymond, I struggle to find anything to like about him.

Mr. Yost

August 23rd, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

No one is going to read this because it's a day late but my colleague just made a good point.

I don't want to hear SHIT about Durant's loyalty to OKC when Isaiah Thomas plays a playoff game for his team the day after his sister dies in a car accident and his team trades him.

It's business. Do your thing KD.

FatGuyTouchdown

August 22nd, 2017 at 11:14 PM ^

Isaiah Thomas isn't that far off from Kyrie. They're the same type of player. The concern with Thomas was always his age and his next contract. They also got Jae Crowder who is a terrific role player, and is a big, physical, quick defender that can switch onto 3/4 positions. He gives the Cavs alot more versatility on defense next to Lebron, and Zizic is a tough player. Not sure what he brings to the table yet, but Boston people were very high on him. I still think that the Cavs may agree to deal the Nets pick for whatever star wants to be moved at the deadline if Lebron agrees to opt in for 2 more years. 

It gives the Cavs more versatility and more options with the best player in the NBA.

Mr. Yost

August 22nd, 2017 at 8:22 PM ^

IMO it's a 7 game series now...that #1 pick doesn't mean anything for this season. You put that kid on this Cavs team and I'd agree the Celtics wouldn't touch them.

I'll go Cavs in 7 if everyone is healthy.

Put even Michael Porter Jr. at this age and stage in his career on the Cavs today and they're skating through the East again. In fact, I see why they did it because he's the exact player the Cavs need with James.

Too bad it's probably going to be a #5 pick instead of #1.

WorldwideTJRob

August 22nd, 2017 at 9:13 PM ^

I think the team smiling the most after today is the Wizards. They were on the same level as the C's last year taking them to 7 and falling apart in that 4th quarter. Now Boston has to rely more on younger guys this year and a core who hasn't played a game together. IMO the ECF will be Cavs/Wizards.

bluesalt

August 22nd, 2017 at 10:57 PM ^

I think the Celtics gave up way too much, but the Wizards should not be smiling.  The Celtics are a better team this year for the deal.  Meanwhile, the Cavs come out of the Irving drama with at least as competitve team as they were with Irving, and the ability to trade that Brooklyn pick with some of their deadweight salary for someone else to make that team better now.

The Wizards are further behind the Celtics than they were when the day started, and any hope they had of the Cavs imploding is gone.

It might take awhile for the Celtics to get their groove (only four players returning of 15 is insane for a team that went to the conference finals and isn't tearing down their team), but Brad Stevens is one of the top 3-4 coaches in basketball.  He'll have the kinks worked out well before the playoffs start.

WorldwideTJRob

August 22nd, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^

I'm sorry I don't see the improvement for the Celtics. None of us know how good Kyrie is without Lebron, add in the fact that You still have to incorporate players like Morris, Hayward, Brown, and Tatum into new roles. Meanwhile Washington brings back the same core of a team that was up in game 7 heading into the 4th qtr. in Boston, and all the players that gave them fits(Thomas, Bradley, & Olynyk) are no longer with the team. This is a huge gamble by Danny Ainge, he knew what he had in the guys he traded. He is praying that the new guys are better in the long run.

bluesalt

August 23rd, 2017 at 11:13 AM ^

Firstly, the Wizards were seconds away from losing in 6, so one could arguably say they were even fortunate just to be in a game 7, much less winning in the third quarter.

But secondly, and more importantly, the Celtics have only 4 players left on their roster who even played in that series, and who collectively accounted for only 38% of the minutes played. Saying "last year the Wizards almost won" isn't very relevant when you consider how strikingly different the Celtics will be this year compared to last.

What is relevant is: are the Celtics better this year than last year, and, should they meet head-to-head in the playoffs, how do the Celtics compare with the Wizards? I think the answer to that first question is a resounding "yes." Despite all their tremendous ball-movement, the Celtics only had one player who could reliably create a shot off the dribble/get to the rim. And the one guy they had was 5'10" and was occasionally subject to being overwhelmed by aggressive, defensive-oriented wings. Now they have two players who can get their shot, who are normal-sized for their position (or large, even, if Hayward plays more at the 2). Their offense was putrid was Thomas was off the court -- now they can stagger minutes to always have at least one guy who can create his own shot on the court at all times (when healthy).

They also had a very undersized backcourt with Thomas and Bradley out there together, which teams, including the Wizards, were able to exploit at times. Now their primary backcourt will have Irving and Hayward or Irving and Brown -- that's about five extra inches in height at each position. That weakness is gone.

And to compare with the Wizards, the NBA is about stars first. I'd say you could make a case for either side of preferring Kyrie+Hayward to Wall+Beal. I'd choose the former, because I think Kyrie and Wall are a wash and Hayward is unquestionably superior to Beal, but I'll allow that some people think Wall is a different level from Kyrie, and might give that tandem the edge. But there is no third top-level player on the Wizards to compare to Al Horford. Porter is paid like one, but he's not yet, and won't be as long as he's such a low-usage player. Depth can sometimes overcome lack of top talent, as you could very much argue it did for the Celtics last year to get past Washington. But depth was the Wizards' weakness last year, and it is no less the case this year.

It may take a bit for the Celtics to gel, but I think the distance between the Boston and Washington has increased. I question the trade for the Celtics, because I think it hurts their ability to get past the Cavs (Crowder was an important defender against LeBron, that draft pick could be used to make a major move, and even Zizic might have proved situationally useful if Thompson was dominating the boards), but I think the upgrade from Thomas to Irving puts more distance between the Celtics and Washington.

FauxMo

August 22nd, 2017 at 8:19 PM ^

While Boston did get shafted on the "basketball talent" end of the deal, they did win in the "idiot that truly thinks the world is flat" category... 

NowTameInThe603

August 22nd, 2017 at 9:49 PM ^

How did they get shafted? They got the best player in the deal who's under contract for 2 more years.

Cavs will give IT max which will be a mistake. Crowder was expendable because of Tatum and Heyward. The Brooklyn pick is the only thing worth any real value. But IT and crowder wouldn't have been enough.

I'm guessing this is a Cavs fan opinion? Because "basketball talent" advantage celtics.

1 percent

August 22nd, 2017 at 11:17 PM ^

Why is it a mistake? They would have had to give Kyrie the super max. They are over the luxury tax so they wouldn't be able to go and sign anyone they wanted.

Plus now they get Michael Porter or Marvin Bagley and a wing defender.

Both IT and Kyrie suck balls on defense. IDK how well Kyrie will fit in Brad Stevens motion offense. Dudes gonna chuck. They are similar players though IT is more of a mismatch against GSW.